Racial Separatism - for the sake of diversity

[Augustus]

Hello OS,

I'm writing this from my phone so this thread won't be as long as I want it to be, but enough to start a discussion at least.

In this thread I am not arguing for the supremacy of one race over another. Rather, the separation of races for the sake of diversity.

If every nation-state in the world opened up for immigration from countries or regions that are genetically (phenotypically) distant from their own it would in the long run mean the end of the majority race/ethnicity in that country.

I consider this a negative development as I believe all peoples have a right to exist. Racial separatism safeguards against the dilution of the races and thus preserves diversity in the world.

I also argue that race is not a social construct, but that society is a racial construct.

We have also seen in numerous (if not all) countries where the multicultural/multiracial experiment has been attempted that social cohesion is lessened and people naturally escape their new neighbors. An example of this is the phenomenon called "white flight".

I'll start with that. What are your thoughts? :)

[LastVanguard]

An interesting concept, and there's an element of truth to it.

In the 1400s - 1700s, it was common practice for ship captains to choose a racially diverse crew, where most crew members were a different nationality than each other. The reason being was that you significantly reduced the chances of a mutiny occurring by doing this.

Although, it's become notably easier for different races and cultures to interact in the modern day to an extent. For example, one of my best friends is Chinese, and has a much different perspective on food, fun, and family than I do. We still get along pretty good, because I have a significant interest in his native culture, and he has a sizable interest in mine. It's not like we're forsaking our own native culture - we're just broadening our views on what all there is in the world.

At the end of the day, there's still enough of a religion/food/culture/society gap between many races to cause them to naturally divide, though I don't know if this will still be the case 20 years from now. There's some exceptions to this, too (for example, the "weeaboos" who view Japan as some kind of holy land, and want to go there and "become Japanese").

Overall, I think your concept will still naturally happen in today's world to enough of an extent that racial/culture diversity will be preserved, although this might change at some point in the future.

[Revirie]

Interracial culture is fine i dont mind

everybody likes american / japanese / chinese / indian / itallian foods anyway

[Augustus]

Overall, I think your concept will still naturally happen in today's world to enough of an extent that racial/culture diversity will be preserved, although this might change at some point in the future.

Interracial culture is fine i dont mind

everybody likes american / japanese / chinese / indian / itallian foods anyway

Thank you both for your input.

However I think we can still have different food cultures and whatnot without importing thousands of people.

And sure, there probably won't ever be 100% homogenity and I don't think that is even preferable, but the fact that whites will be a minority in many European countries in a few decades is alarming and I'm of the opinion that measures should be taken to reverse that development.

What are your responses to that? Is it entirely unproblematic for you if a race of people decrease in numbers or cease to exist entirely?

[LastVanguard]

Well, it's happened countless times to various factions throughout history. Nations rise and fall, and many cultures, languages, and customs have been otherwise lost to the ages in the process.

I'd attribute this to human nature more than anything else; it's the way our species has always been to an extent.

In light of that, I don't think it's something that can be stopped. I might shed a silent tear as I watch it happen, but at the end of the day I'll shoulder my own burdens again and keep pressing on.

[Augustus]

Well, it's happened countless times to various factions throughout history. Nations rise and fall, and many cultures, languages, and customs have been otherwise lost to the ages in the process.

I'd attribute this to human nature more than anything else; it's the way our species has always been to an extent.

In light of that, I don't think it's something that can be stopped. I might shed a silent tear as I watch it happen, but at the end of the day I'll shoulder my own burdens again and keep pressing on.

There really isn't even a hint of collectivism in you is there? ;p

I mean, obviously we can look at it as a naturally occuring process that we can't do anything about. But we are human beings with free will and can influence the outcome of events. We could pollute less to help the environment, or pollute more to screw it over and in the long run harm our own air and surroundings. Same argument for multiculturalism/multiracialism.

You seem to value your freedom a lot. But no matter how many guns you have.. if you are surrounded by people with an entirely different world view and who want to hurt you in every way possible, I think you would feel regret for not doing more for "the cause".

We can affect the outcome of the demographic crisis. And from what we can see people behave differently depending on where they come from. Some people naturally have a higher crime rate than others etc. Whites have recessive genes which means we don't even need a majority of non-whites for it to turn to ****.

Do you see what I'm saying?

[LastVanguard]

I'd agree with all of your points. It's something that we could take a degree of action regarding. It does have the potential to cause physical harm to myself and others if allowed to run unchecked in the next 50-100 years.

To be fair, my perspective is a fairly unique one when it comes to issues like this, since I'm purposefully disconnected from a lot of political and racial issues. I only start to care about these kinds of things if they start to drastically affect me, and I can't avoid those restrictions through either legal or illegal means. For example, laws against owning guns or swords wouldn't stop me from owning them, although laws against smoking cigars in public would be a minor enough inconvenience to me that I'd abide by them.

I believe that enough others would take action in this regard if it started to threaten my culture that I wouldn't have to take action personally. While there's a fundamental flaw in my logic for that argument, I'd rather have flawed logic and maintain my position of not being involved at all than be involved in this.

At the end of the day, it isn't an argument that you could win with me by using logic. I've made this decision for the same reason I'm made every other decision in recent years:

Because I wanted to.

[Augustus]

I'd agree with all of your points. It's something that we could take a degree of action regarding.

I believe that enough others would take action in this regard if it started to threaten my culture that I wouldn't have to take action personally. While there's a fundamental flaw in my logic for that argument, I'd rather have flawed logic and maintain my position of not being involved at all than be involved in this.

At the end of the day, it isn't an argument that you could win with me by using logic.

So basically you disagree because you're lazy but you agree with my logic and that it's moral to support racial separatism? :P

[LastVanguard]

So basically you disagree because you're lazy but you agree with my logic and that it's moral to support racial separatism? :P

You're somewhat correct..

I agree with you that it's not a bad idea. For me, I tend to not have much motivation to strive towards goals that I can't make a difference by myself in, for the most part.

An example of what I mean by that is: I wouldn't vote for a representative of an independent political party for a presidential candidate here in the U.S. because my vote by itself makes an incredibly small difference in the long run. That doesn't mean I don't agree with them; it's just that I hate to spend my time towards a cause that I'm unlikely to make a difference in.

On the flip side of that coin, I thoroughly enjoy taking part in causes that my involvement makes a really heavy impact in. For example, I provided half of the funding for last month's donation goal here on Otaku Streamers. It leaves me with a sense of pride at the end of the day to know that I'm making a real impact in the lives of the 150,000+ otaku here.

Maybe that clears up the confusion.

[kristala]

I'm assuming this is about how white population is going to be the minority one day, right? I have heard about this, being from the education field where our students are becoming more and more diverse. (I currently don't teach now but I hope to one day).

It helps to have understanding of the different races and the culture they bring; many of us have our way to view the world and then we see a new perspective that enlightens our own. I have spoken with an international student who studied here; he expressed his lack of understanding American ways but liking the country and people overall. I have worked with students from Spanish-speaking homes, who's parents were involved in the process. Do I think that one race shrinking while another grows is something to worry about? No, it's just part of the cycle. More and more children are being born in multicultural homes and communities; Europeans aren't having as many children, therefore there is less of one race versus another. It's a growing trend but not necessarily a bad one. We can learn a lot about the different experiences people face because of race and gain understanding of not just our own race but of ourselves. It is one part of a bigger picture. That's my thoughts about it thought I'm not sure if I'm on the right track here.