Japan’s Liberal Democratic for National Loli Ban = “Anime Harms Children”

[BloodyAngel]

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Japan’s Liberal Democratic Party is set on passing a bill which would ban all loli material as child pornography, saying it promotes crimes against children.

The law as it stands strictly prohibits making and distributing (photographic) child pornography, but “simple possession” is not criminalised (except in Kyoto, which recently passed its own local ban).

The latest effort to pass a ban is encountering difficulties because the LDP and their Komeito stooges want to explicitly include anime and manga in the definition of what can constitute “child pornography,” whilst the ruling DPJ opposes this.

The LDP and Komeito both assert that such anime and manga promote victimisation of children and so should be banned, whilst the DPJ oppose any inclusion of 2D material, saying it should be protected on free speech grounds and instead considered culture.

There is thought to be almost no chance of the two sides agreeing, and the DPJ still control the Diet – although when the Tokyo manga ban was initially proposed, the Tokyo DPJ initially opposed it, only to decide to support it when a reworded and even more extreme draft was submitted a second time.

Source: SankakuComplex

[jailmon123]

otsukare sama deshita BA-sama, for bringing up this news..
i wonder how will the LOLI-cons react on this.. xD

[Fubuki]

Heh, I like how it says "democratic party", this does not seem very democratic to me...
Well, anyways, i dont see how loli are "child (insert word that i beleive should not be said here on OS)".. maybe because i dont watch much of it, but wouldn't that make ALL ecchi that too?
Although, personally, since im more of a shounen and romance anime watcher, i don't think this will affect me as much, but i am afraid that if they continue passing anime bans, anime itself would be banned as "inappropriate material or something" But this is unfair!! first the over 18 ban and now "child ----" ban!!!1 =3=

Btw, thanks BA-sama for the news and for working hard for OS~~

[Bobtmonkey]

I think they should propose a bill to ban politics, because it promotes crimes against civil rights. :D

But in all sincerity, most crimes of that nature usually don't stem from an individual owning material. Usually the individual has a pre-existing imbalance that would cause them to carry out the crime with or without material. (Not fact, just an opinion.)

[castlella]

well since they have already banned some of the extreme incest.. i think loli had to be the next one.
in my opinion child pornography should be banned as it is brings adverse conditions and disturbs ones mind..

but i am not against loli without graphical, or (photographic) child pornography..and where we not only enjoy the manga but also learn of different experiences or morals. the authors should be capable..of showing in the manga about what is right and what is wrong.

[dynastar1080]

I know that some a Japan's law is based on or modeled after American Law. If the Japanes free speech law is anything like america's, and if the Japanese legislative and Judicial systems like ours, even if the is passed, the courts may over turn and throw out the law saying it violates free speech like they did in America. I know, in America, 2d art depictions of children in pornographic art work are NOT considered unprotective speech. While this does mean it can't be completly banned, they are still able to restrict it. I am not saying I am for or against it (although I will admit, it will not bother me if loli anime is no more.)

PS. I can't believe it is legal to possess child pornography of real children in Japan. Seems a little messed up.

Also a little amusing that it's the Liberal Democratic party putting this through. I thought conservatives where the one that would want to pass this type of law.

[mlcdl]

That doesnt make sense. Loli is treated as child pornography. Then the same thing is with anime with Ecchi. That doesnt just make sense at all. Before they say that kind of thing, they should have a good proof behind such belief. And I want that proof to see before they say that cause CRIMES always happen not because of influence of virtual but influence and reality and thoughts.

[Snoozy19]

I'm not really against the ban of anything loli but I wanna knock down the LDP and Komeito for even insisting to include anime and manga.
Just because they think that loli are mainly depicted in anime and manga doesn't mean that they should include the ban of anime/manga in itself.

They should at first at least fix their manga and anime sales to the public since that is what I think cause the mass to complain.

"Anime harms children"?!?!? such nonsense can only come from Japan's democrats who doesn't judge anime/manga thoroughly.

[demonblaze0]

I do not believe anything drawn should be considered child pornography or even incest for that matter after all they are just roles in a story and since they are drawn you can say it is a child looking 20 year old, as long as it isn't based on a real person I think it's fine, and I think they are probably a better outlet for those who have those tastes. I mean it's like someone's nose itches and someone else won't let them scratch it, they can live without scratching it but they're going to go crazy and beat the crap out of the other person so they can scratch.
By the way I have absolutely no interest in children, in fact most children bug the crap out of me, but I love Lolis, heck my favorite character is Ayu from Kanon.

Actually I might be misunderstanding something, is the law banning 18+ loli, ecchi loli, or all loli? (no matter I'm against the ban 18+ for others, and ecchi and regular for me)

[darkpoetry]

Some of you guys are going off on a tangent and getting all worked up again.
This happens every time news like this comes up.

No, they will never ban Anime and Manga, its too integrated into the culture.
What they want to do is take out the Loli from Anime and Manga.
"Anime Harms Children" is an a way off translation. You best be trolling.

Whether 2D loli does or does not harm/distort children's mind is up to the Psychologists, not us.
If you really do want to see their arguments against loli go do some research.

The debate is not centered around whether Loli is the same child pornography.
The main reason child pornography is illegal is because it is/leads to child abuse.
The main reason why they want to ban loli is because it may also cause or strengthen a psychological disorder (pedophilia) which will in turn lead to child abuse.
They just want to bunch it with child pornography because its simpler and faster and because both child pornography and loli have the same (very arguable) end effect.

After all, pedophilia IS a psychological disorder

[ZZZDaydream]

I know that some a Japan's law is based on or modeled after American Law. If the Japanes free speech law is anything like america's, and if the Japanese legislative and Judicial systems like ours, even if the is passed, the courts may over turn and throw out the law saying it violates free speech like they did in America. I know, in America, 2d art depictions of children in pornographic art work are NOT considered unprotective speech. While this does mean it can't be completly banned, they are still able to restrict it. I am not saying I am for or against it (although I will admit, it will not bother me if loli anime is no more.)

PS. I can't believe it is legal to possess child pornography of real children in Japan. Seems a little messed up.

Also a little amusing that it's the Liberal Democratic party putting this through. I thought conservatives where the one that would want to pass this type of law.

Wait, wait, wait it's child pornography IS legal in Japan, but not loli??? WTF... even though i don't agree with any anime being pornographic isn't that being a little hypocritical?!?!?

[icebreak01]

this again huh... i don't really mind banning it on "PORNOGRAPHIC" materials(h,doujinshi,eroge and etc.) but they shouldn't include animes which means no harm at all and usually depicts loli as pettanko tsundere character. (not a lolicon,Meganekko-moe XD)


maybe one of them read a netorare loli and is Now Raging and decided to pass the said bill :woohehe:

[pikel]

Personally, I don't believe anything should be illegal if there isn't a clearly defined victim. In the case of drawings and artwork, no one is harmed physically, emotionally, or financially.... so why not just leave people alone?

[deonleosen]

... the japan government is really starting to act from this.. XD

if they will make it all illegal THE WHOLE ANIME WORLD WILL BE BORING!!!

[Kei163]

Loli h,to my memory (i have no idea of the current standards) is already illegal in the U.S and other countries I believe. Ishihara lays his dirty hands off normal anime and manga and we're cool.

[Samanna]

All the Loli-cons of the world are sweating right about now.

[jeffnat19]

oh... more bans... what's next?

i haven't been to Japan (yet) but i wonder what's the reason in making these kinds of laws that will surely hurt one of their trademarks in the world (well, not P--N but anime and manga). i have heard of "manga-based" and "anime-based" crimes, but i think they should focus on the person who did the crime. maybe make heavier sentences perhaps?

not all persons have the same look on those kinds of things (i'm honest, i like Japan style 2D, whatever genre it is, be it manga or anime) and i haven't done or felt doing something very similar to what i see.) well, maybe i'm just babbling nonsense right now, but that's what i see...

[Sora Kasugano]

「They probably meant Loli Ecchi Anime Series, or so. There are many good Loli-involved Series that doesn't have Ecchi/Mature in it. But how did Loli became a Child Pornography? I mean, it's just an Anime Series, no harm done.」

[gala1221]

if Loli = child pornography, I dun wanna know what DBZ is all about...

[maoyurui]

Ok. Done my research on this. LDP and Komeito had done it again. Basically all things related to "Loli" that may "Lead" to the promotion of child abuse and pornography are all going to be banned. It is all right if they specified what are the "Taboo" Loli's but they just made it into a whole. That's one of the reason why DPJ was opposed to it.

If it is approved, Everything that has any "Loli" in it will be banned. Period. No more "Loli" type characteristics or rather characters will be allowed in Anime and Manga. Meaning characters that exhibit characteristics that are "Loli"- Small, Child Like, Etch. even if the story explains that the character is at the right age (like Working!!), will not be allowed since "It may cause misunderstanding".

There are other issues involve in the bill that is too absurd that DPJ thinks not appropriate.

Now personally I'm not into Loli, But I once stated in this forum in a different topic with the same theme that what Komeito and others like him are doing is just plain idiotic. Just tell the truth you damn politicians! You just want to control the Anme/Manga Industry because it actually produces more money for Japan and none of it are making it in your pockets. Geez it's like what they have done to AV Films.

[dand963]

i bet in a few years anime will be banned completely. i hope this kind of event doesnt happen. everyone, please pray for the safety of our addiction. there might come a time where we are the only ones who have watched anime. that would be so sad.

[azn0will]

That's dumb! They're not liberal at all, they're a scam! They're just including the word liberal in their party name to make them sound more friendly to the general public. Well if it does pass, it's gonna take it's toll in their economy, though it may only be a fraction of it. Still it's ridiculous, I know people(Otaku's/Fans) around the world, especially the U.S. wanted them to reform their censorship laws and lessen it's censorship, but this is the total opposite.

I understand that they want to protect children but simply bundling all categories of anime/manga is just ignorant. A more effective way to handle the situation in my opinion would be just passing a bill that prohibits the publishing and distribution of explicit Loli material. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Loli anime/manga, I'm actually a fence sitter on the issue, but it seems to me that their stance on the issue is extremely one-sided, and they're research is probably one-sided as well.

I really think the political leaders currently in Japan are too old fashioned and are not up-to-date with their culture, and the culture around the rest of the world. I only believe this if no where on the bill that they intend to pass states the government would gain control of the industry in any way, shape or form.

I highly doubt that the Judicial branch nor it's Legislative branch will pass the bill. There's just way too many huge companies that would sit idle and allow such a poorly drafted piece of legislation pass. I mean think about it, Toyota uses Hitsune Miku to promote their new Corolla. Also the game industry would be drastically affected by the bill if it were to pass, which is linked to the electronics industry. It's a chain-reaction! So no worries, they're not gonna ban anime/manga. However, we should be worried to what degree their censorship laws on it will be.

[SushilovesNori]

well since they have already banned some of the extreme incest.. i think loli had to be the next one.
in my opinion child pornography should be banned as it is brings adverse conditions and disturbs ones mind..

but i am not against loli without graphical, or (photographic) child pornography..and where we not only enjoy the manga but also learn of different experiences or morals. the authors should be capable..of showing in the manga about what is right and what is wrong.



I absolutely love how this person expressed themselves so eloquently and thoughtfully. I agree 100%. I've had plenty of people lash out at me for being against ecchi etc, but the fact is no one bothered to ask me my exact thoughts on it and immediately ignored what I wrote. I hope people read this and realize that just because we don't like ecchi with little kids in it, that it doesn't mean we don't want anyone to watch anime that has little kids in it, or ecchi that has adults in it. In my case, I just feel that the two should be kept very very seperate, and that there should be a balance of everything. Instead of focusing on one or the other, there should be anime and manga provided that satisfies both sides taste.

As for the ban... all I can say is that it's definitely disappointing that they don't try to compromise. I disagree with the use of children in any sexually arousing manner, even in cartoons, but that doesn't mean that school animes, etc should be removed, or even teen love animes (by this I mean stuff like Maid-sama, where the lead falls in love with the male lead, NOT sexual stuff). Hopefully they will begin to look for what is truly best for everyone involved.

[uaexsaif]

good thing this wont affect me at all :)

i hate ecchi and loli anime xD

[zwei00]

If loli was banned (not that I watch it), why was ecchi or h or censored-blah blah-was not banned? Just because it is rated as Mature/Adult, doesn't mean that kids wouldn't pick it up...

I'm just stating my opinions in this, no offense meant!

[catalyst21]

the lolicons are starting to be frantic right about.......NOW!!!

[Noctis]

moe loli is good but ecchi loli i dont think so. so thats why i dont get affected here :3 not a loli fan myself :3 BUT PLEASE PLEASE DONT BAN ECCHI! anime without ecchi is like cake without icing!

[GatohCorpz]

Right, I would like to share my views here as well. But first, let me share some 'interesting' info that I found.

While I was doing research on the internet a couple of days ago for some pornography statistics for an essay of mine, I stumbled upon this article which stated that the amount of sex crimes committed in Japan had decreased because of the easy availability of child pornography since 1989 (I kinda forgot the year, pardon me if I'm wrong).

Well, this kinda correlates to the issue at hand. Will banning child pornography cause desperate people to commit sex crimes ~~ I don't really know, but there are always two sides to a coin. It's up to the people involved to decide. But, my stand on this is: Don't take the lolis away!! Well I am a lolicon after all.

[moi12ica3]

I would oppose since Loli is apart of the entire Anime Package but by some diluted miracle, it makes some sense not to openly show this on television to the younger audience. Done, I can understand if they want to ban Shotacon but in real life, some people simply look like little children despite their real age. Me for example, I am way over the R-13 line and they don't let me in.... My personal issue aside, characters who are of the right age but don't look it like Aria Kanzaki from Hidan no Aria and the like, that's my problem with the ban. They are of the right age anyway, now if characters are really underage then it's only natural that it be banned but it needs to come with ecchi for it to be banned. Oh no.... Negima~ sob.... Loli has been going on for years and nothing has happened. People know these characters aren't kids and if these characters are kids then it's wrong.... Oh Pardon the lecture....

[f33dback]

Right, I would like to share my views here as well. But first, let me share some 'interesting' info that I found.

While I was doing research on the internet a couple of days ago for some pornography statistics for an essay of mine, I stumbled upon this article which stated that the amount of sex crimes committed in Japan had decreased because of the easy availability of child pornography since 1989 (I kinda forgot the year, pardon me if I'm wrong).

Well, this kinda correlates to the issue at hand. Will banning child pornography cause desperate people to commit sex crimes ~~ I don't really know, but there are always two sides to a coin. It's up to the people involved to decide. But, my stand on this is: Don't take the lolis away!! Well I am a lolicon after all.

As you say, there surely has to be a connection here somewhere. Not too long ago I read an article about some research that has been done into this. While sex-crimes decreased in Japan during the early 90s, loli-related anime/h material became more and more available to the public through the internet. The researchers also introduced an experimental treatment to several convicted child sex-offenders in America and the results were somewhat surprising. While a few didn't respond to this treatment, many were able suppress their need to commit such acts.

In my own opinion I think we know too little about what this ban could cause. I have nothing against loli or ecchi material as long as it's in drawn format and not easily accessible to underage kids.

[Link14]

*sigh* I don't care much for loli Anime,Manga,etc. But really, people need to calm down -_-

[adiktdtololi]

O_O well.. i hope DPJ wins... coz RAGE TO YOU LDP.. RAAAAAAGGEEE!!!!

[LoliCaptorSayanome]

Dear lord, this is seriously gonna suck if they actually manage to pass that bill. If it does pass then there goes at least 1/4 of the doujins at a good majority of the comikets. I honestly idolized japans government because they weren't a bunch of stuck up *bleepshda*, but they're seriously starting to act like the government in the USA... I mean, what next, a ban on names like mine because it can be seen as "promoting criminal acts against children", or perhaps they'll ban the use of bloomers in Japanese schools because they are too sexually appealing thus "promoting immoral sexual thoughts amongst underage youth"? Japan has the richest culture in the world right now, in my opinion at least, and it's mainly thanks to their anime and manga industry, it allows people to express their creative side which isn't exactly supported here in the USA. I'd bet that more than half of those old geezers either have a child that owns a loli doujin or they themselves own one.

[KittyCat]

If the ban the loli what the heck is gonna happen to the otaku's ._. i really like the "loli" idea. and i dont think they should do it.

[solidoxygen]

Some of you guys are going off on a tangent and getting all worked up again.
This happens every time news like this comes up.

No, they will never ban Anime and Manga, its too integrated into the culture.
What they want to do is take out the Loli from Anime and Manga.
"Anime Harms Children" is an a way off translation. You best be trolling.

Whether 2D loli does or does not harm/distort children's mind is up to the Psychologists, not us.
If you really do want to see their arguments against loli go do some research.

The debate is not centered around whether Loli is the same child pornography.
The main reason child pornography is illegal is because it is/leads to child abuse.
The main reason why they want to ban loli is because it may also cause or strengthen a psychological disorder (pedophilia) which will in turn lead to child abuse.
They just want to bunch it with child pornography because its simpler and faster and because both child pornography and loli have the same (very arguable) end effect.

After all, pedophilia IS a psychological disorder

Hmm that makes sense. I have learned to take everything published by Sankaku with a jar of salt since the whole site thrives on exaggerations and sensationalism.

With that said however, I do believe the government is going a bit over the line. I have very little respect or admiration for Japan's modern political system since it is run by frenzied old men serving their elderly constituents.

[Revelix]

would be the worst day of my life if they banned anime...
i hope that u loose that bet then Dand ^^

[kimono031]

I'm not really too fond of loli, so this ban really doesn't affect me, however from the looks of it, a lot of people aren't taking this too well.

[takasuryuuji]

waaah...
more banns... but it's fine if its for the good of the next generation...

[grimm]

geeze people, read whats posted, its banning things with graphic depictions of sexual acts with children. i see absolutely nothing wrong with having such material go away. they will not remove children from anime, i dont think they will even remove school based animes so long as there isnt graphic sexual acts included in it.

[fu8ar]

Not a fan of loli , but I believe this will not help anything in the way they intend it to. This is based on the assumption that people who want child pornography will attain it anyways. Also, I was under the impression that statistically crimes committed against children are usually perpetrated by family members and close family friends. Either way, this has no effect on what anime I choose to watch. To those loli fans, I guess you'll just have to get your fix from the underground market.

[ZenNaari]

You wanna know my reaction?

GO DPJ!!!

[chaz08mist]

the seikon no qwaseser 2 its epsiode 9 were censored.....

[lastshin]

That doesnt make sense. Loli is treated as child pornography. Then the same thing is with anime with Ecchi. That doesnt just make sense at all. Before they say that kind of thing, they should have a good proof behind such belief. And I want that proof to see before they say that cause CRIMES always happen not because of influence of virtual but influence and reality and thoughts.




same opinion for me
and I think that their too hasty on saying such things as well..

[suciumarian]

k i must agree that some animes are a bit well maybe over reacted but ...this is anime is not something real ...if someone have a psyhical problem you dont't need to give him who knows what anime to start to reape children or something , they will do it anyway , soo this is a bint of nonsense , well yeah i understand if you censurate or so but to be forbided is a bit foolish , so as is said by the others hope that will not be baned all animes some days , become i think animes are a very cool thing instead maybe they will should start with the reality and stop the real reapes and soo on , by the way BloodyAngel you are the best , you have awsome uploads :) , and of course i'm gratefull to all of them who are uploading this awsome stuff :)

[ranmachua]

Don't they realize lolis make people happy?

[mosesprophet]

Sora is right. It is just a genre of an anime. Theres no wrong about that. I think Pedobear is greatly affected by this. Good luck to you men. XD

[reneiru]

No more Cuteness? XD Im not a loli, but i think they are cute. =)))

[Qualtz]

Whether the bill passes or not, We'll just have to face facts instead of ranting.

Oh, good point btw mom :goodjob:

[request1100]

well, i guess this is just it...
i do not know how will this go on, but i hope they will not go as far as banning anime...

[digi0009]

i hope this doesnt effect Loli violence animes like Higurashi and others , Japan is really being strict on its anime nowadays

[RenegadeXD]

Damn... this would S123K a lot good luck everyone

[digi0009]

moe loli is good but ecchi loli i dont think so. so thats why i dont get affected here :3 not a loli fan myself :3 BUT PLEASE PLEASE DONT BAN ECCHI! anime without ecchi is like cake without icing!

If Ecchi is banned, The anime and manga market will completely break , it will be a record fall , this is because Ecchi covers a huge amount of the market , So , even if people do hate ecchi and they say they dont care, Banning ecchi will have huge impact on anime and manga as a whole

[Viletomb2010]

I will just be neutral on this issue since I am not a lolicon. They should just put an age bracket like R-18 mangas and animes so if that is the case they should also ban the making and distribution of any pornographic materials in japan. But I do not believe that anime can harm children unless if they're parents are not guiding them in their right paths. I wonder what will be the next move of this political parties.

[LoliCaptorSayanome]

geeze people, read whats posted, its banning things with graphic depictions of sexual acts with children. i see absolutely nothing wrong with having such material go away. they will not remove children from anime, i dont think they will even remove school based animes so long as there isnt graphic sexual acts included in it.

I'd like to point out that they include "suggestive content" in this category... So things like Kodomo no Jikan will be absolutely forbidden if it passes....

[animesslayer]

those are some good news

[dambuk1]

Well Otakus/Lolicons, let's just try to gather enough money/power/mana/whatever to be able to crush LDP/Ishihara/other idiots who will likely show up :)
PS i REALLY hate when governments try to do something that makes their countries industry fall; are they stupid, hypocritical or what ? (sorry for so much hatred but my opinion is: if somethings brings profit/can bring profit and it doesn't harm living humans/animals/aliens(lol) then why not try to earn money from it ?)
PS2 A little protip to politicians, if you ban something, organized crime will take control over it and then you will be really sorry for all additional crimes that arise :)

[sundisk]

Whose the girl in the first post? :))

[maoyurui]

Sigh... I guess most people really don't have the general of whats really happening. The "Loli" genre is only the beginning of this. Remember last time they wanted to ban Comicon? It's not about the "Loli" factor that's the problem here but the concept of getting control of the anime/manga industry bit by bit. Politicians no let us make it general, most people specially in Japan don't appreciate otaku's, heck the general public in the world don't except it at all. People view otaku's as freaks and if you actually read articles and some news or even ask some people who are actually living there (well in my case friends and family actually living there), being one or even associating yourself with one is like a sickness. Now a days when you hear "Japan" most people will associate it with Anime, Mangas, Video Games,AV's or Otakus making those at top think that their country is declining. Funny thing is their country has less crime than most asian countries. So where the heck is the basis for the so called "Bad Influence" of the Anime/Manga genres?

So I'm saying this. "Loli" is only the beggining... Although I do agree that there should be moderation in the "Loli" Genre in terms of sexual themes, I do not like the Idea of banning it all together. Because if something like that is banned easily what more are for the other genres?

[hades013]

well...
fer me... a don't really watch loli-genres if dere's nothin' ta interest me...
but a have some friends on dis REAL world an' ma friends 'ere on OS(specially LOLICONZ)...
zo if a lett'em see dis report...
a wonder what'll happen..?
protests..? war fer ANTI-LOLI BAN..?
gufufufufu...
gahahahaha!!!
INTERESTIN'!!!
a'll look forward ta dese issues!!!:=D:

[dambuk1]

Whose the girl in the first post? :))

I dunno' but she reminds me of Nyarlathotep for some reason O.o

[koruuchiha]

Damn this is the 2nd time I ever heard of anyone baning anime!
I mean I understand why, since it does some what leads to child abuse but still.
Isn't this the 13th time they already baned some of the anime series?
Well can't argue with that since loli's arent really my type of anime.
I'm into the ecchi's but having to involve childrens in them is quite disturbing. (No offense to those fans out there who are into those things.)

[heartless123]

i think not all loli should be ban ,,only those that are extremely not good for children ..

[Yoru Kyouki]

No doubt I shall earn little admiration for my views from a pirate anime community whom "freedom of speech" is a prerequisite for maintaining a library of other person's achievements. I do not judge, and it is merely statement of fact. I would just state, I am entering my second year at Hiroshima Shudo division of Law, and so have studied precedents of certain cases.

When placed in such a context, it is quite easy to simplify and make such lurid statements as "anime harms children". This is not what Otsuji nor Tanigaki explicitly say, and without correct perspective, misjudgements are inevitable.


If I may just explain context, please. If you wish to insult|go to the crux of my argument, please ignore.
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The Japanese legal code has been revised and dismantled ridiculous amount of times, and so that there are discrepancies. For example; it is still possible to be prosecuted for making, or distributing, "explicit material of a sexual nature that offends the humility of the nation".
Pornography, to a layperson. The result? The yakuza have a stranglehold on any uncensored material, meaning that what little regulations that do apply in such a sordid industry are null and void.

To be fair, this law is never truly applied to the fullest extent, and even then only to try and catch larger crimes. [think tax evasion, 1950s Amerika...]
Redundant and rather useless, no?

How about this; "sexual material is permissable in an enviroment not condusive to deviation or promotion".
Have you ever seen the "gameshows" that run constantly on YTV, et4, Tako-tsunn and so on? Never wondered why they involve "prizes"/"challenges" involving a [generally naked] female(s)?

You connect the dots. An entire industry was built out of one discrepancy, one loophole.
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Relevancy?
LDP proposed not only to "ban loli" but instead focus on wideranging reforms to the legal system. Amerikan or otherwise observers should note that our legal system is NOT like yours. Yes, having been occupied by the US military for a certain number of years has helped...shape, our system. But it is significantly different. We did not even have a working judicial system until 2008! All cases were heard before a judge, in private, who alone would decide. A little different, no?

In truth, I was going to make this longer but I have 10 minutes until leaving.
Final thing: until "harsh" reforms were made, it was permissable in the original Japanese Constitution to have "consentual" sex with a 13 year old, and rape was punishable by 2 years hard labour - at worst. In general, if the case ever reached court it would be 4-8 months.

1) How can someone not old enough to watch certain ANIME decide whether they wish to have sex.
2) Yes, 91% of cases concerning rape that reached court were found guilty. Amazing! Total amount? 10% of all. So that is 9% of all rape cases get prosecuted. Oh, how mighty!

This argument is incomplete, but you catch my breeze.
Time for coffee, cigarette and bus-jog.

:cry:

Ohai to anyone who remembers me. It has been...13 months since I was active. So it is doubtful...:haix:

[dambuk1]

Flamewar will commence in
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JK :D

PS There are loads of counterarguments to yoru's argument but i won't post them/PM them/blog them or put them on someone's wall because there is already too much hatred here :3

[Yoru Kyouki]

Flamewar will commence in
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PS There are loads of counterarguments to yoru's argument but i won't post them/PM them/blog them or put them on someone's wall because there is already too much hatred here :3


I do not mind counterarguments, and would be interested how one can attack such wide-ranging and comprehensive legal reforms...unless, focusing on the eagerness of 'loli-ahnilation'*.

It has always been a point of shame in terms of examining our basis of society that our code does not match other "globalised" countries. In any country whose net worth per capita and standard of living versus crime rate exceeds the majority of the world, it is unnatural for there to be such a mismanaged legal system.

In truth, I do find the "kawaiiOMG<3" highly sexualised, portrayal of very young females repellant...so perhaps, I am not a judge of this. Even the "correct age" line, inserted into certain anime does not cut it with me. Satisfying urges that may, even in the rarest of cases, lead to a child getting hurt...no. I believe there should be some regulation.

Do I think there should a 'lolicon doomsday'? No. But again; Diet Drafted Treaties always aim for far more than they can achieve. The LDP is playing politics; ask, demand, scream for a ban; "compromise" for something less. It would be unenforcable to insist all manga/anime producers to abide by such a regulation. Lone-wolf illustrators make up nearly a third of all the mainstream market; not even considering underground.




Ah...it must be a sign of my ever-decreasing social life. 9PM and nothing to do except 'argue' about politics on an anime streaming webportal...
:bow:

Bring on another term!
*I am sure I mispelt that word. Could you please advise?

[coldground93]

I don't really mind... I'm personally against child pornography anyway but I'm also against that ANIME media promotes child abuse.

Seriously, old people shouldn't treat our generation as dumb degenerates who couldn't even differentiate a banana from a knife.

[dambuk1]

Sorry, but for some reason every time i start a serious discussion or become a participant in it, pointless quarrels start. And, because i am a troll only on /jp/ i won't post/PM/ or blog counterarguments on this site.

[crimson21]

I am seeing the future.. w/ no Loli how sad..

[dynastar1080]

No doubt I shall earn little admiration for my views from a pirate anime community whom "freedom of speech" is a prerequisite for maintaining a library of other person's achievements. I do not judge, and it is merely statement of fact. I would just state, I am entering my second year at Hiroshima Shudo division of Law, and so have studied precedents of certain cases.

When placed in such a context, it is quite easy to simplify and make such lurid statements as "anime harms children". This is not what Otsuji nor Tanigaki explicitly say, and without correct perspective, misjudgements are inevitable.


If I may just explain context, please. If you wish to insult|go to the crux of my argument, please ignore.
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The Japanese legal code has been revised and dismantled ridiculous amount of times, and so that there are discrepancies. For example; it is still possible to be prosecuted for making, or distributing, "explicit material of a sexual nature that offends the humility of the nation".
Pornography, to a layperson. The result? The yakuza have a stranglehold on any uncensored material, meaning that what little regulations that do apply in such a sordid industry are null and void.

To be fair, this law is never truly applied to the fullest extent, and even then only to try and catch larger crimes. [think tax evasion, 1950s Amerika...]
Redundant and rather useless, no?

How about this; "sexual material is permissable in an enviroment not condusive to deviation or promotion".
Have you ever seen the "gameshows" that run constantly on YTV, et4, Tako-tsunn and so on? Never wondered why they involve "prizes"/"challenges" involving a [generally naked] female(s)?

You connect the dots. An entire industry was built out of one discrepancy, one loophole.
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Relevancy?
LDP proposed not only to "ban loli" but instead focus on wideranging reforms to the legal system. Amerikan or otherwise observers should note that our legal system is NOT like yours. Yes, having been occupied by the US military for a certain number of years has helped...shape, our system. But it is significantly different. We did not even have a working judicial system until 2008! All cases were heard before a judge, in private, who alone would decide. A little different, no?

In truth, I was going to make this longer but I have 10 minutes until leaving.
Final thing: until "harsh" reforms were made, it was permissable in the original Japanese Constitution to have "consentual" sex with a 13 year old, and rape was punishable by 2 years hard labour - at worst. In general, if the case ever reached court it would be 4-8 months.

1) How can someone not old enough to watch certain ANIME decide whether they wish to have sex.
2) Yes, 91% of cases concerning rape that reached court were found guilty. Amazing! Total amount? 10% of all. So that is 9% of all rape cases get prosecuted. Oh, how mighty!

This argument is incomplete, but you catch my breeze.
Time for coffee, cigarette and bus-jog.

:cry:

Ohai to anyone who remembers me. It has been...13 months since I was active. So it is doubtful...:haix:

To you Statement about how, prior to 2008, cases in japan were tried by one judged. In AmeriCa, every case, except for criminal, and even there there defendant can chose to only go before a judge and have the judge rule on the case, starts with a single judge ruling on the case. It's only through the appeals process where you start going infont of several judges.

Im sorry that the terminology that I used made it seem like American law was the primary basis for the Japanese legal system. I meant it in the concept of how American law was looked too and studied to help Japanese lawmakers draft laws. It may be completly different from law, but every single civilized nation studies other civilized nations legal systems to look for good ideas or to see how they handled something. Hell, even America looks to Japan for guidance on how to construct some laws.

I can't really comment on Japanese law too much, but I know that America was the first Modern nation to have a free speech clause. Again, I havent read Japan's so I can't say that it is even remotely like ours, but to even have one means that they looked at ours and then implemented there own.

I am also in my second year of law school in America, so all my knowledge is based and comprised of our law, but I have read cases where the Judicial branch over here, I.e. U.S. Supreme court, have looked to Japanese law when interpreting or creating new elements for laws already in place.

It is a refreshing experience to see someone that has study Law in Japan on here giving there opinion. Question tho. Do you guys study case law or is it all statute based?

PS. It's spelled loli annihilation but you were close. second, we, in lawschool, have no life outside of the internet and the classroom.

[HOTDfreak]

I think this is stupid. I'm not a loli-con, but I'm getting really sick of Japan's government passing laws on anime and stuff. The last one they passed made it so that all violent, echhi, etc. anime had to be moved to an adult section (I was scared that they would actually just ban it), and now they're getting rid of loli because they think it promotes child abuse and child pornography? It's a cartoon! You don't see kids out, flying around on nimbus clouds, making spirit bombs do you? (I know it's not possible >.>) Following that thought, I don't see how loli could influence people to abuse your kids, or make child pornography. It's just absurd in my opinion.

[AXExZBR]

That is really interesting. I hadn't heard of this -- admittedly I don't follow Japanese politics. But, I just don't think that it is right. There is a very large distinction between pornographic material and some of the Loli series. I don't think I have really seen a true Loli series, but on principal, animation like literature should not be bound. I feel really strongly about that. I do see animation as a primary form of speech in many modern societies, very notably Japan's. So, something like this is really troubling. I am from the US and I guess I should just accept that government won't uphold the principals they say they do.

In the US, there are people who posture on pornographic material as causing and promoting the denigration of woman or inspiring rape... I have not seen a single statistic or study that is reasonable and promotes this idea. I can't imagine this situation to be too far from the one in Japan. It seems more like preferential legislation rather than legislation for the safety of its citizens... But, I guess we all kinda knew that anyway.

[Bunislipper]

I don't agree that Loli should be banned completely because from the Loli anime series that I have watched it's not explicit and it does not convey child pornography. I never considered Loli to be child pornography and I know there are people who are very opinionated when it comes to this topic because Loli can be seen as perverted due, obviously, to the fact that it has underage girls etc etc. I think that there should be some kind of "test" or something because not all Loli has explicit content and can be romantic and funny and cute. Loads of people love that genre. I know they will probably ban it all together but even so I still think that there should be some kind of monitor XD (as stupid as it sounds) to determine whether to allow the manga/anime to be released etc. o.0 Make sense?