[SPOILER] Angel Beats! Operation: Graduation

[xiety]

Operation: G r a d u a t i o n

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By now you should finished watching Angel Beats!

Straight to the point:

After analyzing the last episode Graduation, I noticed something doesn't matched up after Tachibana's regret was fulfilled

Refresh you memories or else I will call Naoi

Tachibana's regret that she never has a chance to say "Thank You" to the person who given her new life even though it wasn't shown in the anime
Now, Otonashi wonders why to him nor how she can tell that person is Otonashi
Well pretty obvious, Remember that Donor Card that Otonashi wrote before he die
Pretty sure he donated his heart to Tachibana even though he didn't even wrote her name but his name was written

Now, here is my doubts in the event
How come in Episode 1 of Angel Beats, Tachibana was already there then Otonashi came before her
Something wrong with chronological order, Otonashi Died first then why Tachibana was already there. If Tachibana was already there in the first place then how will she receive the donor's organ if she died first before Otonashi ?

I highly doubt about this event:
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First of all they are already dead before Tachibana and Otonashi know the humming song in the last episode
Second, if that epilogue part is possible to happen so basically in their Afterlife World, what happens there will change the events in the real world
Last, Hinata x Yui in Goodbye Days episode, highly probable that they know each other before they die and lost their partial memories after they die

Jun Maeda of Key sure knows how to make mysterious animes


Sneak Peak Upcoming Special Episode: Stairway To Heaven (http://www.angelbeats.jp/story2/ep_sp.html)
On December 22

Call me Chri- .......

[Viletomb2010]

I also notice this one xiety. I think you will not go directly to afterlife after you die since Kanade goes first in the afterlife before otonashi. I will wait for the Stairway to Heaven.

[Rasen Oh]

I noticed this too! For the first problem, I figured that there was no relationship between time in the real world and time in the Angel Beats world. That or its like with Archer in Fate/stay night, I guess.

As for the second problem... well I guess we are all going to have to watch Stairway to heaven...

[ghostrippper]

I noticed this too. Maybe because he wasn't supposed to go there since there was a place for those who had regret in their life thus he was wandering around before ending up in that place...

[renaru]

afterlife is complicated perhaps the timeline there is different.

[venabre]

Yeah, I thought those things the first time I saw it, but I think that the fact that Otonashi arrived latter than Kanade is because he had no memories, so we wandered for some time until he eventually arrived where they were. Another possibility that came to my mind was that he was brought in the first place so that Kanade had the chance to say thank you to him and be able to rest in peace. Those are the two options I could think off.

The epilogue part I assumed happened after the events on the anime, like they reincarnated and though they weren't the same people they used to be they kept some memories of everything they went through, or at least the feelings, and the song was one of them. The epilogue itself for me is the reunion of those two and the consolidation of the relationship they couldn't have in the after life.

And about Hinata and Yui I thought of two options. The first one is that happened something like the above, where they met after they've reborn, but I see that unlikely. The second one is that it isn't a real or physical event, and it is more like the representation or their feelings and the way things could have been if they had met when they were still alive.

[oninn]

Nice! Thanks for the info... I'll be waitin' for the special episode.

[xiety]

Im already having troubles with AC: Brotherhood ending plot and now this one
anyway Angel Beats have mysterious scenes that aren't being observed first the boy in the 2nd Computer Lab in the Guild
that wasn't explained who the hell is the boy's name, all he said about the software Angel Player and its programmer

btw about the Special Episode this coming December 22, well all I can see just some hilarious stuff they did

[7DeadlySins]

i noticed that too xiety that's why I love Jun Maeda's works its always with twist and turns that will leave a question to your brain

hope to see the Special Episode soon

Ciao~

[ZZZDaydream]

it makes a good story...but a very good point...idk what to think about that...ugggg i wana rewatch it now

[mlcdl]

If xiety didn't post it, I would not notice it unless someone tell this clearly to me. Recalling the event, you really have a point on this. Hinata and Yui probably lost their memory...since that it was included on the twist of the anime. And about Tachibana and Otonashi, that thing really confuse me the most. Anyway, it means that I should anticipate something special on "Stairway To Heaven"

[killing91]

At first I thought it was an ending made up in a hurry, but the error made was too big to be just a miss of the producers; if the rumors are true and there is a deep meaning in it then everything its ok...we can just wait for stirway to Heaven

[xiety]

If xiety didn't post it, I would not notice it unless someone tell this clearly to me. Recalling the event, you really have a point on this. Hinata and Yui probably lost their memory...since that it was included on the twist of the anime. And about Tachibana and Otonashi, that thing really confuse me the most. Anyway, it means that I should anticipate something special on "Stairway To Heaven"

dont tell me, that you just noticed that

oh great.... we are talking about "Key" here, they are known for weird and mysterious Twist they ever made

lets recall, in Episode 9: In Your Memory
In the train accident that Otonashi rode on, some of them survive the crash and so on...
In the last breath of Otonashi in 7th day, he gets his donor card and ask for a pen
then he encircle one of the option and I think that he will donate his organ like his heart then died after breaking through the debris by the rescuers...

now, in Episode 13: Graduation, Tachibana said to Otonashi before she crosses over, that he has no heart to start with after he arrive in Episode 1
Tachibana feels that, the person who gave her a new life is Otonashi because of his Donor Card he wrote before he die in the train accident
before Tachibana die in the real world, her regret is she forgot to say "Thank You" to the person given her new life

Now, Im saying in the first post that there is something wrong with Timeline event which is "Why Otonashi came late but Tachibana was already there ? " Follow up statement: "Otonashi died first before Tachibana, if Tachibana was there already then Otonashi came before her then how can she tell that Otonashi was the one who gave that organ, if she died first then she can't receive that organ that Otonashi donated..."

Lastly about the special episode: Stairway to Heaven
i think its just some comedy stuff they did, i noticed in the last part that "Yurippe is singing ?!"

[lon3lyh3art]

I think he said that he didn't have any regrets so maybe after he died, he was wandering around before going to the afterlife but his wandering was too long and Kanade came before him. I love Angel Beats!!! Can't wait for the special episode.

[mlcdl]

dont tell me, that you just noticed that

oh great.... we are talking about "Key" here, they are known for weird and mysterious Twist they ever made

lets recall, in Episode 9: In Your Memory
In the train accident that Otonashi rode on, some of them survive the crash and so on...
In the last breath of Otonashi in 7th day, he gets his donor card and ask for a pen
then he encircle one of the option and I think that he will donate his organ like his heart then died after breaking through the debris by the rescuers...

now, in Episode 13: Graduation, Tachibana said to Otonashi before she crosses over, that he has no heart to start with after he arrive in Episode 1
Tachibana feels that, the person who gave her a new life is Otonashi because of his Donor Card he wrote before he die in the train accident
before Tachibana die in the real world, her regret is she forgot to say "Thank You" to the person given her new life

Now, Im saying in the first post that there is something wrong with Timeline event which is "Why Otonashi came late but Tachibana was already there ? " Follow up statement: "Otonashi died first before Tachibana, if Tachibana was there already then Otonashi came before her then how can she tell that Otonashi was the one who gave that organ, if she died first then she can't receive that organ that Otonashi donated..."

Lastly about the special episode: Stairway to Heaven
i think its just some comedy stuff they did, i noticed in the last part that "Yurippe is singing ?!"

Sadly, the time I was watching it, I didn't think of any consideration about the events not until I finish the series. And the time I have finished the series, I have forgotten those important event since that I got focused on its comedy and loss a proper way of considering a great anime. Though, after seeing this, I recall everything.

If the upcoming episode is just a comedy related again...I'll just see and might consider re watching the series again since that I have forgotten it have a deep kind of plot.

[ranmachua]

I think Otonashi wondered around after he died, lost his memories before he came to this place & met Tachibana

[LordNight]

honestly, i didnt notice this one...
(i guess i need rewatching)
*rewatched*
yeah it does...
but like other posters said, there is a possibility that otonashi wandered first, and also yurippe mentioned that time is different there...
ok, i give up, my hand is already full on the eroge im playing..~.~
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about stairway to heaven, is that an OVA?

[IndI311]

i don't think it's weird..
.everything has it's route..
.
otonashi died..
.WITHOUT ANY REGREDS..
..BUT..
"GOD" knew kanade would die with regrets..
.because she couldn't thanks her lifesaver..
..THAT'S WHY..
...otonashi had to wander around in no wheres land..
....till kanade died..
.....and after some time he ''accidently'' fell to the afterlife place..
......so that kanade could graduate someday..
if it wasn't for kanade..
.he would be "reborn" right away..
..since he died without any regrets..
...right?..
.
about humming the song..
.it's simple isn't it..
..after they graduated they were "reborn"..
...and kanade just hummed the song..
....which was somewhere really really deep in her soul..
.....and the same goes for otonashi..
......he still knew the song..
.......since it was really really deep graved in to his soul..
........and it was made to break the seal to our tears..
.........hehe..
that's basicly how i get it..
.and I think that all the clues to the explaination..
are there where out there

[xiety]

Plot has holes.... for sure

So does everyone suppose to go there in that school ? for example Yuri's siblings died then they are suppose to be there too right ?
If not then why Otonashi not suppose to be there if he took a long time to go there

Almost December 22

[powerband]

wow, i'd never even notice those holes in the plot, you guys are sharp! well remember that those who had regret entered the school so yuri's sisters does not have to be in the school. otonoshi was special i guess, he had no heart also since he forgot how he died he felt regret at first remember.

[pikel]

Here is how I rationalized it. Otonashi was dead, but had lost his memories and was walking around the barrier between the realm of unfulfilled regrets, and reincarnation. Once Tachibana went to the angel beats realm, Otonashi subconsciously noticed a piece of himself there and managed to wander in, following her there. Therefore Otonashi would arrive after her. As for the epilogue, I'm a fan of the "that's their reincarnated selves" theory.

The Hinata and Yui part was all his explaining out how it "could" have been. He was explaining to her that even if she couldn't move, he would still have loved her. That he would have taken over for her mother, taken care of her, and be with her for the rest of their lives. If that had actually been the case, rather than pure conjecture, they'd have never been in that place to begin with.

[Kobowo]

"Kill Me" was what Otonashi said to Tachibana if you would remmeber in episode 1...and she stabbed otonashi...guess where...in the heart! that's 1 possibility of how tachibana learned about otonashi giving his heart...next remember towards the ending of AB! tachibana said something like otonashi's heart remembering who Otonashi was [during the ep where he fell asleep on tachibana while waiting for her to wake up] and that's how Otonashi came to remember his death..and that is also how he was able to "conclude" in a statement that he was supposedly wandering endlessly before going to that place as he was "uncertain" of how he died...he couldn't recall if he had regretted something and literally didnt remember how he died[on that I really dont know why he lost his memories] and somehow ended up going to that place meaning there was a loooong time he was wandering around aimlessly and during that time kanade could have already died and have gotten through that place[she remembers being there for sooo long in a scene because of her regret and in the scene it shows sooo many people who comes in and out of the place because they have had their regrets fulfilled]

Theres also the possibility of the world in clannad In clannad Ushio's world is separated from time therefore she was able to "save" his father towards the ending of the anime....so theres also the possibility that the world they go to is completely separated from time and those who have regrets get there randomly in time...makes its more confusing right? @_@

and the last part on Yui x Hinata theres that possibility but then why wouldnt they remember those memories? there were some members who remember most of their memories even before they died....

[Sora Kasugano]

We all noticed this right, or some did not.

But that explains it all xiety, everything you have posted explains it all. I'm worried about Yui and Hinata, if they lost their memories, then they really had meet before they died. And the weirdest part of all is
"Why Otonashi came late but Tachibana was already there ? " Follow up statement: "Otonashi died first before Tachibana, if Tachibana was there already then Otonashi came before her then how can she tell that Otonashi was the one who gave that organ, if she died first then she can't receive that organ that Otonashi donated..."

If Otonashi really did die before Tachibana, then why is Tachibana already there before Otonashi does? And your last post is eve weirder, If Yurippe's Sisters died first, then why are her sisters not there, unless they disappeared~?

[dab117]

I'll try my best to give my version of the story (just my version, not entirely correct)

1st question to be answered: Why Kanade was there first
Explanation: Kanade mentioned that she had Yuzuru's when she stabbed him. Following this story, this means that Kanade's original heart is probably malfunctioning and deteriorating. So she died first and entered the Angel Beats (a.k.a. AB) world.

2nd question to be answered: Kanade had been fighting the battlefront for long now, did she have his heart then?
Explanation: Kanade entered the world under of two assumptions that I have considered to be most logical.


She's dead for long - Ok, this reason seem logical; you have to be dead to enter that world, AND, you must have something that you regret not being able to do when alive. Kanade must have some other reason. (Pay attention. This point about her being dead will be contradicted later on)
She's in a long coma - Now this reason is pretty hard to guess. But I'll explain. Usually a person is in a coma because there is a problem with the brain. In Kanade's case, her heart was the problem; not the brain. But, here's the twist for those who are not very proficient in the medical field (like myself). I've made a small research just recently, and I found out that there are around 302 causes of coma and heart symptoms like 3-alpha-Hydroxyacly-CoA-Dehydrogenase Deficiency. This could well mean that Kanade has a certain disease that cause her heart to fail and lapse into a coma. Now the biggest assumption is this: A near-death coma will lead you to the AB world. (Hold onto this idea)


So, Kanade is in the AB world at this moment of time. Ok, now focus your attention to the real world (anime) for a moment (and no, not the world we live in). The part Yuzuru signed an organ donation card before he died. Remember how he died because of lack of energy and food/water? Here's the catch; your body and brain will deteriorate first before you die in that case, by entering a state of critically low activity. He is unconscious, not 100% dead, but barely dead (97% dead, for example)

The scene didn't show how long the excavation of the tunnel took. But let's assume that it was short enough that Yuzuru did not die yet and was rushed to the hospital. Only at the hospital, did he die. Doctors then see the donation card and gave his heart to Kanade.

So no. Kanade would not have his heart then.

3rd question: If Yuzuru dies, how long does it take to reach AB world?
Explanation: This is a big mystery. Let's assume that it is not instantaneous such that when you die, you will not be transported to the world instantly. Aha, look at episode 1 again. Notice how the anime starts of with Yuzuru opening his eyes, and Yurippe was beside him. A question for you guys, why is Yurippe there? I've made a deduction based on that particular loophole that many viewers missed to ask. When Yuzuru died in the real world, he is transported to the AB world; only unconscious. Yurippe must have been the only one around the area at the time fighting with Kanade, and she happens to come across Yuzuru's unconscious body. So she stayed and defended him from Kanade.

Focus! THE NEXT POINT(s) IS VERY CRUCIAL!

Yuzuru have not waken up yet, but in the real world, doctors are performing surgery on him and transferring his heart to Kanade's real body. When the surgery is done, perhaps then Yuzuru begins to wake up in AB world. Hence assumption 1: "Kanade is dead" is contradicted here. She cannot be dead in the real world, on a coma due to a failing heart. You cannot transplant a heart to a dead person in hopes that that person will be alive again!

IMPORTANT POINT starts here

Only when Yuzuru wakes up, Kanade (in AB world) realised that she is has a heart, and somehow her body is telling her to wake up from AB world and to go back to the real world. At this point, Kanade IS RELUCTANT to go away. Remember how she said that she will not go away from the world until she have thanked the person that gave her a new heart? I'll be using that statement. Thus, Kanade would have known that the new dead person would be somewhere in this world, and would want to find that person and thank him (these feelings would have surfaced at the very first episode!). This became her new regret, because she is in IN A COMA, and she cannot even thank the person whom she owe her new life to. So her past regrets must have been overridden by this new reason (assumption 1: "Kanade is dead" challenged again). But she did not expect that person to be found so instantly when she stabbed Yuzuru! (sorry for the caps and exclamation marks, I myself am feeling very excited typing this!!)

Following my assumptions, I believe that is the closest I can get to explaining Angel Beats. Of course, all my assumptions are under another assumption; ceteris paribus (meaning that all other factors are kept constant)

[Mukiwara]

well i think what sab says is correct, but over all, it's just up to the imagination of anyone to fill the gaps, because it doesn't take too much to fill them. and it is a fantasy anime, you can say anything and make it fit, but i love this anime, hope to see more of this soon =D

[IndI311]

I don't think it's up to our imagination..
.most of the holes are explained well..
..or rather..
...i believe that every hole is explained..
and at dab..
.nice research..
..but,..
...sorry i don't think your right at all..
....need just to say one thing to destroy your whole conclusion..
.....just if kanade died before she got the heart from otonashi..
......then why does she remember about it..
.......if she wouldn't then why..
........didn't she wanted to say thank you to otonashi..
.........and why did she graduate after it at the last ep?..
for those wondering..
.why yurippes sibling aren't there..
..very simple..
...it's a high school..
....and not junior high or kindergarten..
.....the siblings had to be send there..
......since they had regrets ind that period/place of time..
.......that's why there were even some adults..
........which had to be teachers in the real world or so..
but best for those who don't get it..
.rewatch it..
..and listen/read and try to understand..
...don't just focus on laughters and action..
....watch it like reading a mystery book or what ever..
.....just try to understand..
......and don't just have fun

[blackfairy]

Here is how I rationalized it. Otonashi was dead, but had lost his memories and was walking around the barrier between the realm of unfulfilled regrets, and reincarnation. Once Tachibana went to the angel beats realm, Otonashi subconsciously noticed a piece of himself there and managed to wander in, following her there. Therefore Otonashi would arrive after her. As for the epilogue, I'm a fan of the "that's their reincarnated selves" theory.

The Hinata and Yui part was all his explaining out how it "could" have been. He was explaining to her that even if she couldn't move, he would still have loved her. That he would have taken over for her mother, taken care of her, and be with her for the rest of their lives. If that had actually been the case, rather than pure conjecture, they'd have never been in that place to begin with.


i agree with this especially in Yui x hinata.. Hinata maybe have some feelings for Yui becoz they are developed with there always fighting or Hinata just said that to help Yui to disappear completely helping Otonashi on his goals.. because if they know each other and loved each other, they maybe not in the afterlife in the first place.. while Yui is not yet appearing in the afterlife, its more like Hinata x Yuri according to the Angel Beats: Track Zero Light Novel.. they are the two founders of SSS anyway.. so when i read it, it came to me that its not Hinata x Yui originally.. it was more like of Hinata and Yuri.. then eventually when Yui appeared, thats when Yui and Hinata relationship starts.

as for Kanade being the first before Otonashi, i can say here that its not necessarily that when you die, you go straight in the setting of AB (maybe i should call it afterlife for the mean time). i read some that there is a third dimension where because Otonashi lost his memories, he wandered here in this said dimension and while he wander here, Kanade died and go straight to the Afterlife.. thats is why Kanade comes first before Otonashi.. and then while Otonashi is wandering, he then end up going to the Afterlife.. thats just my opinion..

sorry for the lame and suck english..
there are so many holes indeed in this story, maybe thats why its up to us to fill it..

[xiety]

Revive case:

Lets add that there is other dimension or whatever in this plot that Otonashi went through

We all know that Kanade was already in School (purgatory) before Otonashi came FACT
Kanade knows who gave the organ Heart to her but didn't recognized the face of the donor FACT

The question is:
If there is other world then why did Otonashi turned into wandered soul ?
Is it because of the regrets or doesn't know the direction ?
If he can't remember anything then he should be straight to Afterlife School because he doesn't remember any regrets only after Aoi did the hypnosis....

Lets say that they are Buddhist religion who believes reincarnation
Then why they were reincarnated as themselves again ? Is it supposed to be other body form ?
Reincarnation, the migration of a deceased person's spirit to a newborn body

About Yuri's siblings they are out of the question why?
Because they have no Regrets before they die, only Yuri because she couldn't protect her siblings
simple....

[xorel]

it is odd idd, but don't know if it is already said or not, but look it from this direction:
"you gave me new live" or something alike is what Kanade said, in other words HER ONE life was over, so she's dead

[Gauche Suede]

The whole after life thing was confusing to me. Even at the very last episode I didn't realize why it was so even though I was crying. Later my cousin explained it to me . The special episode was crazy funny!

[crimson21]

for my own opinion...

the time there is distorted..

ir is only a imaginary space..

[LuNic]

Im actually confused myself before I read this... But after reading the posts, I have an idea of what happened. Thanks for this post!