Where the HELL did they pull that from?

[Kohi]

Without a doubt, mangas like One Piece, Naruto and Bleach are the most retarded ones out there. Scream all you want in protest, but it's my own personal opinion gathered from about 2 years of waiting every Thursday for the translated copies to come out.
Which brings me to my point. Where the hell do these authors get all their bull-crap from? Hur-de-hur, I feel like pulling some retarded plot-hole from out of nowhere so that my story can be elongated.
Seriously, what the ****. Where did these people even get the idea that they were even capable of writing something? Sure, even the most basic stories can get a great span of followers, but after a while, the same plot over and over gets boring.
Lets take a non-otaku example: Eragon. Sure, everybody loves it, but when you break it down you get this-- Guy is a normal guy, who has a hidden ancestry. Guy gets superpowers. Guy saves girl. Girl plays hard to get. Guy gets girl. Guy beats bad guy. Not to say they're bad, but hey, lets have some variation here. I mean, there's only about 500 other carbon-copies out there.
That's why things like Code Geass became so popular so fast. It's more of a thinking game than a hey-i'll-beat-up-everything. 5cm/s? Guy doesn't get girl. Guy lonely. Story good.
What I'm trying to say here is that why do so many people adore such basic plot lines? It's like when I'm reading fanfiction and some guy with a writing style of a 5 year old gets more reviews than some guy with writing that I can actually look at and say: Hey, this guy has talent. Naruto getting kicked out cauz he didn't bring back Sasuke? Check, check, check and check.


TL;DR version
Why is it that people love stories with basic plots? I mean, when something happens you're like: Oh, totally didn't see that comming..., so why read it at all? And why is it that the ones out-of-the-norm are always left to gather dust?

[SquishyNinja]

Most people in this world are idiots. They get confused by anything abstract. They need something easy to comprehend. That's why. Idiots also hate change. Anything totally different will throw them off. Which is why authors use the same plot, but sugarcoat it. Easy as that.



(Please don't take my first sentence badly. I say MOST. Not all.)

[mattduy]

Nice way of putting it.
It's just that Naruto and Bleach get more attention because they have them airing in america where it spreads like wildfire.

[Kohi]

Yeah, but stupid as one is, they've got to realize that they're just seeing the same thing again and again.
Really, you can compare and contrast the last 50 chapters of both Naruto and Bleach and you'd find the exact same things, archetypal-wise.

And yes, it airs in the US but who's the idoit who decided to make it into an anime in the first place? Honestly, you've got better manga to make into anime.

[SquishyNinja]

Yeah, but stupid as one is, they've got to realize that they're just seeing the same thing again and again.
Really, you can compare and contrast the last 50 chapters of both Naruto and Bleach and you'd find the exact same things, archetypal-wise.


Have you even met real idiots? And like I said, authors sugarcoat it, so it seems like it's something new



And yes, it airs in the US but who's the idoit who decided to make it into an anime in the first place? Honestly, you've got better manga to make into anime.

*points to japan* Ask them.

[Kohi]

I live in Plano. Call me an elitist bitch, but even the dumbest people in our school have a promising career, even as a drug dealer.
And don't dis Japan :o I plan to live there, once I learn the language (:

[solidoxygen]

Everything has the same archetypes, there's nothing without archetypes in it.

You cannot compare things like Naruto and One Piece to things like 5cm/sec and that kind of stuff. They target two entirely different audiences. The fact is, a huge chunk of the audience for these shows are young kids who may be new to anime. Fighting appeals to them. Plot is merely a sidenote. This is entertainment for the masses and as people realize that they are tired of it, they might be led to other more meaningful shows.

These things are not garbage, they have appealed to a certain audience and have certainly started a huge money making scheme. On that note, they keep making this because it is still a lucrative business. If they make money, obviously people still like it. Why would you stop?

There are many genres and styles, some just cannot be compared due to their target audience.

[Kohi]

Wow. Why aren't you this insightful in school?
Or AIM for that matter...
I guess it's true when people say you have a different personality online than IRL.

[solidoxygen]

Wow. Why aren't you this insightful in school?
Or AIM for that matter...
I guess it's true when people say you have a different personality online than IRL.

Hi there Zur -.-'

The problem is in the people that I'm around. Can you imagine Kevin or David offering an insightful argument to anything?

[Kohi]

Yeah, true that. Kevin's pretty stoic so you could try or something lol .__.

[Bindu1000]

Everything has the same archetypes, there's nothing without archetypes in it.

You cannot compare things like Naruto and One Piece to things like 5cm/sec and that kind of stuff. They target two entirely different audiences. The fact is, a huge chunk of the audience for these shows are young kids who may be new to anime. Fighting appeals to them. Plot is merely a sidenote. This is entertainment for the masses and as people realize that they are tired of it, they might be led to other more meaningful shows.

These things are not garbage, they have appealed to a certain audience and have certainly started a huge money making scheme. On that note, they keep making this because it is still a lucrative business. If they make money, obviously people still like it. Why would you stop?

There are many genres and styles, some just cannot be compared due to their target audience.

I totally agree with this. Naruto is shown on Cartoon Network after all in between Ben 10 and Tom & Jerry, so we cannot really compare them to the stuff we prefer. And as long as something makes money - they will continue making them. I personally watched both Naruto and Bleach just to see what everyone was crazy about and after sitting thru about 15 and 20 shows respectively, I gave up.

But then again - I would never watch Darker than Black or Death Note coz they have sad endings and that is my choice.

But I also agree there are so many more cool manga that could be made into anime .. *Sighs deeply*

[avich]

As solidoxygen said, all animes and mangas have different target audiences. And whats bullcrap for some are a treasure for others. While it is good to express our views, lets be careful on how we say it because we might hurt others in the process (or start a revolution, haha).

[JadeHymora]

I have to agree with you there. The average person in all honesty is a moron plain and simple. The simpler and the easier to follow the plot line, the more likely they are going to want to follow it. Plus that basic structure or hero/villian/maiden/happily ever after is the basic fantasy of most people. They want to be that hero,or that damsel in distress waiting for her prince.....*sigh* that is just the way life works everyone wants their fairytale one way or another

[hokeymon]

I agree with you but not with "One Piece" (don't you dissin' my One Piece)...check it 1st before complimenting on it -_-

up to 600+ episodes in the making but it's a good hobby of mine.


I have to agree with you there. The average person in all honesty is a moron plain and simple. The simpler and the easier to follow the plot line, the more likely they are going to want to follow it. Plus that basic structure or hero/villian/maiden/happily ever after is the basic fantasy of most people. They want to be that hero,or that damsel in distress waiting for her prince.....*sigh* that is just the way life works everyone wants their fairytale one way or another

I think what you mean by morons are little kids hahaha....give them a break, they're 10-

[avich]

I know, the people who we are calling morons and loving this shows are mostly kids. Like solidoxygen said, all animes have their own target audience.

[JadeHymora]

I really have to ask how anyone can sit through 600+ episodes....Or who in their right mind would take the time to come up with all the ideas for that many episodes! I mean really, I watched like the first 150 episodes but then I'm like "this is like watching the same thing happen over and over again only with different people and no apparent end in sight" I have to give it to you, you have a lot of patience lol. And as for the kids I can understand why they watch it but I'm talking about full grown adults who sit up all night and watch things like bleach and naruto and are obsessed with it.

[Bindu1000]

Actually ... that question does arise with CR members, coz the whole hype over their change-over was because they could make Naruto available online at the same time it was shown on TV and everyone was ecstatic over that :4:

[hokeymon]

I really have to ask how anyone can sit through 600+ episodes....Or who in their right mind would take the time to come up with all the ideas for that many episodes! I mean really, I watched like the first 150 episodes but then I'm like "this is like watching the same thing happen over and over again only with different people and no apparent end in sight" I have to give it to you, you have a lot of patience lol. And as for the kids I can understand why they watch it but I'm talking about full grown adults who sit up all night and watch things like bleach and naruto and are obsessed with it.

LOL i watch all night but different animes. Yah i do got a lot of patience lol, and the story is about to end in 600+ episodes (currently at 392).... other than bleach and naruto, One piece has fewer fillers and the story progresses as the characters grow. Much like watching a child grow and they learn new things (not like naruto who only learned to do the rasengan). But there is an end, take over the world style. Also has a lot of twists in the story. You should continue it.

[russj]

i have no idea what other ppl posted.. i'll read the later

but basically, they do that coz those plot sells.. why do something else and risk failing when you can write a standard story ,and add you're little mix into it, and sell?

i'll read the rest of the posts.. feeling sleepy right now

[bootwhistle]

I have to agree, One Piece is almost in a Category by itself... I think the reason it can outlast Naruto and Bleach is that it doesn't take itself as seriously. Personally, it is that factor that makes a show easy to watch, it is just entertainment - one can go on about more complex plots or how 'believable' a show is but at the end of the day it is just a story someone else thought up.
I find in confusing that people can call others morons just because of the type of entertainment they enjoy watching, everyone has their own tastes and reasons for wanting to watch a half hour of entertaining shows instead of practising music, studying calculus, tinkering with engines, painting, gardening, reading history, trying out recipes, learning another language, writing their own stories... etc.
Entertainment is entertainment, trying to judge people general by the quality of their entertainment is a losing battle because all one has to do is step back and say "Instead of watching that, why not do something productive?"

So... I guess my point is - it is entertainment, it is supposed to be pointless! Perhaps one can argue that watching quality shows is more 'intelligent' than watching idiocy - but the truly intelligent wouldn't just be entertaining themselves with fiction to begin with.
I am not trying to be insulting to anyone (as I have probably wasted more time on frivolous entertainment than doing anything remotely productive) but I just think there is something wrong when people try to claim superiority over others for arbitrary and insignificant reasons.
I find that in any group the same problem is there but the issue of 'entertainment' is replaced by other topics, be it race, religion, politics, style, environmentalism, patriotism, all with different levels of intensity from mild mockery to outright hatred.

Of course I may be over reaching a little but the same basic foundation is there, a lack of understanding and an intolerance for what people don't understand.

Hmm, I think I went a little overboard with this post, feel free not to take it seriously as I certainly don't. In any event live and let live... except for Narutards, those little ****s should all be ****ed by a y***a ***f while ***d **q****.

[avich]

^ Amen to that.

[FluffynpinK]

If you look more deeper into the animes or watch a few more episodes you can see that Naruto isn't all about violence or kicking each others butt.
There are good morals in that anime & also it's got some funny comedy moments in them.

[JadeHymora]

LOL i watch all night but different animes. Yah i do got a lot of patience lol, and the story is about to end in 600+ episodes (currently at 392).... other than bleach and naruto, One piece has fewer fillers and the story progresses as the characters grow. Much like watching a child grow and they learn new things (not like naruto who only learned to do the rasengan). But there is an end, take over the world style. Also has a lot of twists in the story. You should continue it.


I can appreciate that. I just hate stories where the characters are so one dimensional. I mean to be honest there is very little real character development in Naruto. I mean no one seems to learn their lesson. It's like watching a child run into a wall repeatedly:emhh15: though I think I will reconsider one piece :)

[souLtwister]

I can appreciate that. I just hate stories where the characters are so one dimensional. I mean to be honest there is very little real character development in Naruto. I mean no one seems to learn their lesson. It's like watching a child run into a wall repeatedly:emhh15: though I think I will reconsider one piece :)


hail to that! yeah, you're right about that, nothing has changed except for the fact that they are becoming strong or have new techniques and so.

one piece, yeah not bad... though it's plot seems to be slow but it surely is unlike naruto and bleach, fighting bad guys more or so...

in short, naruto and bleach are getting annoying and boring...

[Skoibi]

ha, alot of people are completely different irl

[zevlag21]

i didn't understand what you're telling i get bored halfway could you summarize it for me

[koedt]

Naruto and Bleach are getting annoying, although I still like One Piece but then again I might start hating it later.

People are still all over these three pretty much because it the only thing that has been around for so long like Pokemon, Digimon, Dragonball and etc. I also can't understand why people still watch them when they have all of these filler episodes that has no relation to the actual storyline at all. And to make the matter worse, stuff like Dragonball re-show all their episodes repetitively. (I mean, just give up and die already!! Every series has to come to an end sooner or later.)\

Seriously don't blame them. As in both the author and the people. They are not otakus like us who knows the real stuff! And with peopel still all gungho about these three, the author are more inspired to keep doing whatever they are doing right now.

[zevlag21]

ahh now i get it... i really don't watch the biggest three in anime because they are really long and their are many fillers... why don't they just remove the fillers... i think they should copy soul eater which is straight to the point...

[nahakii]

I love 26 episode animes for this reason: they're long enough they don't feel rushed, but short enough it doesn't get old.

Part of me thinks that the authors of the 200+ episode shows never intended for them to go that long. For example: the author of Dragon Ball tried to end it several times, but fans kept bringing it back. Bleach was entertaining for me up until they left Soul Sociaty because it had stayed to a single story with noticeable progression (and Aizen was an awesome twist). Ultimately filler and side stories that nobody cares about are spawned to delay while the main story is suffering (possibly from writers block).

Archtypes ruin things, so I only look for the unique parts of every series. Code Geass could be looked at as just another mecha, but it also has a intellectual feel to it. The real reason long anime get make me lose interest is that they don't do anything new. Even the best anime can get dull if they have too many episodes. (Try to realistically think of a way to make Code Geass longer without getting repetitive.)
One longer anime I can stick with is Home Tutor Hitman Reborn, because I'm didn't start watching it for the plot, so when it gets to fillers it isn't a bother because I watch for the commedy aspect not a deep plot.
I had more to say... probably, but I'm starting to lose consciousness. Goodknight.

[Zeraph23]

I have to agree, One Piece is almost in a Category by itself... I think the reason it can outlast Naruto and Bleach is that it doesn't take itself as seriously. Personally, it is that factor that makes a show easy to watch, it is just entertainment - one can go on about more complex plots or how 'believable' a show is but at the end of the day it is just a story someone else thought up.
I find in confusing that people can call others morons just because of the type of entertainment they enjoy watching, everyone has their own tastes and reasons for wanting to watch a half hour of entertaining shows instead of practising music, studying calculus, tinkering with engines, painting, gardening, reading history, trying out recipes, learning another language, writing their own stories... etc.
Entertainment is entertainment, trying to judge people general by the quality of their entertainment is a losing battle because all one has to do is step back and say "Instead of watching that, why not do something productive?"

So... I guess my point is - it is entertainment, it is supposed to be pointless! Perhaps one can argue that watching quality shows is more 'intelligent' than watching idiocy - but the truly intelligent wouldn't just be entertaining themselves with fiction to begin with.
I am not trying to be insulting to anyone (as I have probably wasted more time on frivolous entertainment than doing anything remotely productive) but I just think there is something wrong when people try to claim superiority over others for arbitrary and insignificant reasons.
I find that in any group the same problem is there but the issue of 'entertainment' is replaced by other topics, be it race, religion, politics, style, environmentalism, patriotism, all with different levels of intensity from mild mockery to outright hatred.

Of course I may be over reaching a little but the same basic foundation is there, a lack of understanding and an intolerance for what people don't understand.

Hmm, I think I went a little overboard with this post, feel free not to take it seriously as I certainly don't. In any event live and let live... except for Narutards, those little ****s should all be ****ed by a y***a ***f while ***d **q****.


^ Amen to that.


Naruto and Bleach are getting annoying, although I still like One Piece but then again I might start hating it later.

People are still all over these three pretty much because it the only thing that has been around for so long like Pokemon, Digimon, Dragonball and etc. I also can't understand why people still watch them when they have all of these filler episodes that has no relation to the actual storyline at all. And to make the matter worse, stuff like Dragonball re-show all their episodes repetitively. (I mean, just give up and die already!! Every series has to come to an end sooner or later.)\

Seriously don't blame them. As in both the author and the people. They are not otakus like us who knows the real stuff! And with peopel still all gungho about these three, the author are more inspired to keep doing whatever they are doing right now.

@Bootwhistle
At last someone who knows he's stuff! I totally Agree! XD

@Avich
Nice one! Amen to that also! XD

@Koedt
Kick ass! I also agree! XD

[koedt]

@Koedt
Kick ass! I also agree! XD

Thanks, I hope I made myself clear.

Not everybody that watch Naruto/Bleach/One Piece are otakus (actually most of them aren't; most otakus already moved away from these three) so they don't see things the way we do.

Although I would still get pissed if one of them starts saying to me 'you don't know what you're doing/watching/playing'.

[ranmachua]

Well, you can't help it if a big chunk of the world loves it

[Bindu1000]

Well this moved totally out of a discussion of anime and into a nice thread for spamming, so decided to move it to "The Corner"

Now shout all you want ... :4:

[Cho Hakkai]

well its kinda hard to make a manga you know. If you think its stupid then id like you to make one better. :emhh15:

Besides when a manga becomes longer the more the chances it will have to repeat some type of story formula and more mistakes to make. :22:

[cukibear]

perhaps u watch a little too much anime and got ur expectation a tat too high =P

[rajester]

Uhhh this is easy....
its like.... an architect or engineer says:
would you like your house upside down?

well... people like happy endings... uhhh they like fighting which main character wins...
they are alien to anime/manga like school days... ( LOVED IT ).

[mistressmyst]

What you have to do is look at the big picture. Yes most of the people who watch Bleach Naruto and One piece may not be otaku's because it airs on t.v., but that doesn't mean otaku's don't watch them also.

Besides, the way that you're saying idiots watch those three could be the same way others can say idiots watch things like Lucky Star, K-on, and the other loli or moe or whatever they call it. Like others have mentioned, It all depends on the audience. People into more action will watch Bleach, people into loli, moe, whatever will watch Lucky star, people into mecha will watch Gundam 00. People who just like anime/manga will try new things and either like/hate it.

So in entirety (is that even a word...) it's not fair to target the makers or watchers of Bleach, Naruto or One piece and brand them idiots. No matter how far some may take their obsession. Hey, I don't like One piece, I don't get why they watch it cause it doesn't appeal to me, but that's just my opinion 'cause apparently people like that stuff. Bleach and Naruto is and on again off again type of thing for me. Depending on if I find it boring i'll stop, and if I later see an interesting epi, i'll continue or something like that.

Hey, sometimes people just like to take a break from things. If I watch a depressing anime, i'm not gonna watch another, i'm gonna look for a comedy or something just happy. And if you just finished an anime that you had to rack you brain to understand, whether it was confusing or had such meaning, you're gonna wanna watch an anime that's easy to understand.

[Ratman9000]

I think that Shounen Jump is the problem here. Admittedly there are a lot of manga and anime out there that do the same thing, but at least they know when to end it for god sakes. Jump will make pull out any kind of bullshit just as long as it keeps the 12 year olds watching.