Illegal Manga Scanlations Will be Put down to Justice

[BloodyAngel]

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Okay, First we got a Lolicon Ban and Now we getting this? Wtf... I bet the next one will be All Ecchi Genre Anime will be put down or Streaming Anime Online... >__>
What's wrong with this World!?!? But I kinda Agree with this tho. Why? Because this will help Increase the Sales of the Manga's All over the world. More Sales = More Manga ;D

The 36 publishers in Japan's Digital Comic Association and several American publishers are forming a coalition to combat the "rampant and growing problem" of scanlations, illicit digital copies of manga either translated by fans or scanned directly from legitimate English releases.

The coalition asserts that "scanlation aggregator" sites "now host thousands of pirated titles, earning ad revenue and/or membership dues at creators' expense while simultaneously undermining foreign licensing opportunities and unlawfully cannibalizing legitimate sales." Google lists one site on its list of the 1,000 most-visited sites on the web.

The spokesperson of the group said they will take injunctive measure if the scanlation sites stop their activities on their own. They have already been reporting scanlator's violations to US Justice Department and FBI. Publishers Weekly named MangaFox and OneManga as the major scanlation websites.

Kurt Hassler, the publishing director of Yen Press, pointed out the inverse correlation between the increase of the traffic of scanlation websites and the decrease of the manga sales in US. And that fan scanlators had withdrawn their translations when the manga was licensed but it's no longer the case with the current "business" scanlators. "We don?t want to have to do this but publishers are now focused on this problem."

According to a press release issued by Viz Media on Tuesday, the coalition's members include Square Enix, Viz Media, TOKYOPOP, Vertical, Inc., the Tuttle-Mori Agency, Yen Press, and the members of the Digital Comic Association: Akane Shinsha, Akita Shoten, ASCII Media Works, East Press, Ichijinsha, Enterbrain, Okura Shuppan, Ohzora Shuppan, Gakken, Kadokawa Shoten, Gentosha Comics, Kodansha, Jitsugyo No Nihonsha, Shueisha, Junet, Shogakukan, Shogakukan Shueisha Production, Shodensha, Shonen Gahosha, Shinshokan, Shinchosha, Take Shobo, Tatsumi Shuppan, Tokuma Shoten, Nihon Bungeisha, Hakusensha, Fujimi Shobo, Fusosha, Futabasha, France Shoin, Bunkasha, Houbunsha, Magazine House, Media Factory, Leed sha, and Libre Shuppan.

Source: PublisherWeekly (http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/digital/copyright/article/43437-japanese-u-s-manga-publishers-unite-to-fight-scanlations.html)

[Snoozy19]

OMG.....are they serious!!!!!!!!!!
Oh well, if its illegal then I agree with it too.
I can live without the manga but PLEASE don't let streaming anime online be next............

[katl91995]

waaaaaaah!!!!
is this really happening...........lol
if they will banned streaming anime next.........
we are gonna have some serious trouble............lol

[MioAkiyama]

i hate this world
but what about the selling of mangas how bout me im poor with no money to even afford one
and i dont see my yuri manga scanlators there
do i need to cry over such loss yes
WHY CRUEL FAITH

[nannel24]

WTH?!!!!!!!!!!
manga manga! I need manga!!!!!!
How the hell could that seriously happen?!
They're ruining my otaku life!!!!!
TT~TT I'm willing to support illegal scanlating just for manga! T.T
Unfortunately, I can't do anything. T.T

[Samehada]

This is a problem.

[LPleroyLP]

Omg they cant do this i need online manga becuz i dont have the money the buy it yet

this is a freaking problem

ill edit this piece of it because i do buy manga's BUT only when i find them good when i read them online

so i have my collections here at home should it become illegal :P

[notanotaku]

Umm, i would have to agree with them. Sales are going down <-- it's like...if you don't donate to OS, do you think it'll keep running?

Plus, manga artist draw to their heart contents but they're not getting paid much? Wth?!! They need to get paid as they deserve it. If we have to buy manga from now on, then so be it! Don't be a cheapskate!

[pikel]

Well if this happens I guess that will be the end of me reading manga. Or perhaps it just won't be hosted on any sites anymore, and I can just download it.

[gman01]

nooooooooo!!! they better not make it illegal!!!

[ravensoulx28]

Hmm.... I think this is going to far. Just because the whole world is under recession that they do this sort of nonsense. If they can't find a way to bring up their sales, they blame other things and not their competence. It's true that manga scantalations make their sales lower in some aspect but I think it shouldn't be right to downright remove them. I mean, I learned to read manga from these sites that offer manga. I mean if they lower their prices I might buy every manga that I read. I remember going to a bookstore or a comic stand that sells manga and they are at the same price as a reference book already. I admit that I'm poor and I only rely on the internet for almost everything that is deprived from me, manga and anime are the best examples. I'm already used to using the internet more than watching television. I'm against both being banned or being claimed illegal. Scantalators just translate the manga so we could read them, some of them don't even exist in bookstores and we were lucky enough to get a hold of them through the scanatlations. For Anime, we could get to watch an anime episode we missed on TV and even watch those that haven't reached our regions. I'd say it's a bad move for those companies. If they really want to improve the sales, why don't tthey make it cheaper, if they can't make it cheaper make it available to every region. Not all manga are available in every bookstore and that's what makes online scantalations a better access than buying it at a bookstore. Same goes for anime as well. With a busy schedule, we sometimes miss the anime we were supposed to watch so we rely on the internet to watch them and sometimes, television doesn't even finish the series. This is just too damn depressing....

[mikitty]

"I will not tolerate this kind of oppression!" haha!

but seriously what the hell are they doing.. i think that by implementing this.. it may decrease the popularity of manga and anime!.. didn't they know that this can be a good marketing strategy! look at it like this "Free Advertising".. most people throughout the world can view their manga.. but if they banned this.. some may stop reading this.. some can't because.. no stores in their neighborhood is selling this stuff.. some don't even know where you can buy this stuff.. did they realize that some country don't have this kind of stuff.. this is a really really bad decision! (-_-")

[notanotaku]

Hmm.... I think this is going to far. Just because the whole world is under recession that they do this sort of nonsense. If they can't find a way to bring up their sales, they blame other things and not their competence. It's true that manga scantalations make their sales lower in some aspect but I think it shouldn't be right to downright remove them. I mean, I learned to read manga from these sites that offer manga. I mean if they lower their prices I might buy every manga that I read. I remember going to a bookstore or a comic stand that sells manga and they are at the same price as a reference book already. I admit that I'm poor and I only rely on the internet for almost everything that is deprived from me, manga and anime are the best examples. I'm already used to using the internet more than watching television. I'm against both being banned or being claimed illegal. Scantalators just translate the manga so we could read them, some of them don't even exist in bookstores and we were lucky enough to get a hold of them through the scanatlations. For Anime, we could get to watch an anime episode we missed on TV and even watch those that haven't reached our regions. I'd say it's a bad move for those companies. If they really want to improve the sales, why don't tthey make it cheaper, if they can't make it cheaper make it available to every region. Not all manga are available in every bookstore and that's what makes online scantalations a better access than buying it at a bookstore. Same goes for anime as well. With a busy schedule, we sometimes miss the anime we were supposed to watch so we rely on the internet to watch them and sometimes, television doesn't even finish the series. This is just too damn depressing....

Why not just buy it instead of complaining? I mean if they only made limited sales because 'you could hardly find manga that are not in stores nowadays', then the people who bought it are lucky and they deserve it. And seriously? It's not about the whole under recession. It's because many people are not buying enough so sales go down as to the reason Scanlators putting it up for free on website.

People should at least pay for something they obtain --> Law equivalent exchange. Everything needs to balance.

[asaness01234]

even if they ban the sites w/c provides free manga, I guess some stubborn fans of manga will still provide digital scanlations thru downloads..

but its doomsday for me if they banned free anime streaming... I can't go to CR and pay $7 to watch anime, Im just a poor otaku /sob

[Snoozy19]

why not just buy it instead of complaining? I mean if they only made limited sales because 'you could hardly find manga that are not in stores nowadays', then the people who bought it are lucky and they deserve it. And seriously? It's not about the whole under recession. It's because many people are not buying enough so sales go down as to the reason scanlators putting it up for free on website.

People should at least pay for something they obtain --> law equivalent exchange. Everything needs to balance.

yeah..........xd

[weisner21]

even if they ban the sites w/c provides free manga, I guess some stubborn fans of manga will still provide digital scanlations thru downloads..

but its doomsday for me if they banned free anime streaming... I can't go to CR and pay $7 to watch anime, Im just a poor otaku /sob

man your not alone!!!:touched:

[BloodyAngel]

Hmm.... I think this is going to far. Just because the whole world is under recession that they do this sort of nonsense. If they can't find a way to bring up their sales, they blame other things and not their competence. It's true that manga scantalations make their sales lower in some aspect but I think it shouldn't be right to downright remove them. I mean, I learned to read manga from these sites that offer manga. I mean if they lower their prices I might buy every manga that I read. I remember going to a bookstore or a comic stand that sells manga and they are at the same price as a reference book already. I admit that I'm poor and I only rely on the internet for almost everything that is deprived from me, manga and anime are the best examples. I'm already used to using the internet more than watching television. I'm against both being banned or being claimed illegal. Scantalators just translate the manga so we could read them, some of them don't even exist in bookstores and we were lucky enough to get a hold of them through the scanatlations. For Anime, we could get to watch an anime episode we missed on TV and even watch those that haven't reached our regions. I'd say it's a bad move for those companies. If they really want to improve the sales, why don't tthey make it cheaper, if they can't make it cheaper make it available to every region. Not all manga are available in every bookstore and that's what makes online scantalations a better access than buying it at a bookstore. Same goes for anime as well. With a busy schedule, we sometimes miss the anime we were supposed to watch so we rely on the internet to watch them and sometimes, television doesn't even finish the series. This is just too damn depressing....

I think you don't get it why they banning it and making it Illegal. I know its Unfair for most people but To be honest this is the right thing to do and Author's doesn't get paid alot because of this Illegal Scans. If you can't afford manga then try getting a job or saving money for it and If you can't find it on your local store.. Then use Internet to buy... There is Alot of ways to buy Manga's.. I buy my own manga's rather than Reading it Online..


"I will not tolerate this kind of oppression!" haha!

but seriously what the hell are they doing.. i think that by implementing this.. it may decrease the popularity of manga and anime!.. didn't they know that this can be a good marketing strategy! look at it like this "Free Advertising".. most people throughout the world can view their manga.. but if they banned this.. some may stop reading this.. some can't because.. no stores in their neighborhood is selling this stuff.. some don't even know where you can buy this stuff.. did they realize that some country don't have this kind of stuff.. this is a really really bad decision! (-_-")

IF there is no store's that sell manga's in your Region or Area then use the INTERNET to buy it... And this is not a Bad Decision, this is the Best way and good Decision..

[vivien]

NOOOO!!!
I really don't have the money to buy a manga... T_T
Online manga scans are also the source of my happiness!!!

[hokeymon]

They are right but it also hurts for use folks who don't live in Japan and have to wait like forever for just some lousy releases. I also don't have the budget to buy every single manga I want to read. ( I STILL DON'T WORK YET )

[ravensoulx28]

Why not just buy it instead of complaining? I mean if they only made limited sales because 'you could hardly find manga that are not in stores nowadays', then the people who bought it are lucky and they deserve it. And seriously? It's not about the whole under recession. It's because many people are not buying enough so sales go down as to the reason Scanlators putting it up for free on website.

People should at least pay for something they obtain --> Law equivalent exchange. Everything needs to balance.

I am not complaining. I am merely stating a fact. I have a friend who works in Japan and it really is under recession and everybody's affected. It's true that not many people are buying but that's because they prefer to spend it on filling their stomachs than read manga. I am one of those people because of only being a student with an allowance good enough for my travel fare and food I can only manage to buy 1 volume in two years. FYI: I've been travelling a lot and thanks to my friends who are more well off, we hunt manga volumes in our country and sadly, we don't get what we are looking for. We want to try internet but since we're all students, we all don't have a credit card. I don't mind paying and honestly, I hate getting things for free but what choice do I have right now? Should I let something like financial problems ruin my passion for anime and manga? Isn't this site a proof of that. LIKE HELL I'LL DONATE MILLIONS DOLLARS ON THIS SITE SO THAT EVERYONE CAN WATCH ANIME AND READ FOR FREE IF I COULD!!! That's how I love anime and manga.

[xorel]

I just decided that I will vote for the Piratenpartij, (Pirate Party) politike group, how want's to make download/upload/steaming and stuff legal.

tanks OS for making up me mind

[AnkokuRyuu]

well those people have to make a living too, but it does suck

[bloodyrein]

oh what the fudge what is our world coming to?

I sense the start of anime's Armageddon

[ravensoulx28]

I think you don't get it why they banning it and making it Illegal. I know its Unfair for most people but To be honest this is the right thing to do and Author's doesn't get paid alot because of this Illegal Scans. If you can't afford manga then try getting a job or saving money for it and If you can't find it on your local store.. Then use Internet to buy... There is Alot of ways to buy Manga's.. I buy my own manga's rather than Reading it Online..



IF there is no store's that sell manga's in your Region or Area then use the INTERNET to buy it... And this is not a Bad Decision, this is the Best way and good Decision..

I do BloodyAngel. I'm not going to post on a thread until I've thought about what I said. I'm working and at the same time a student. I pay my own tuition fees and food expenses and I'm still on the red. I'm not against the idea, I'm merely saddened with the fact that this is happening. I already know that this is not a cheap hobby and I'm no cheapskate, I just can't afford no matter what. I get reds and if I look for more jobs my health will suffer. My work is already demanding in work hours and my classes are at night. I don't get enough sleep because of that. I believe in equivalent trade, I'm business minded too.

[jhai0603]

I'm not really fond of manga, BUT.
If it comes down to banning anime, whatever genre it is, I'm gunna bust up them damn government.
I swear.

[kuzi87]

sad, but it's something bound to happen...

[ravensoulx28]

Hmmm.... does this apply to doujinshi too? I wonder... IN that case... Hihihihihi....

But kidding aside though.. manga scantalations and anime streaming keep the anime pop culture alive. If this disappears, the next generation of otakus will be lesser in population (which will be the joy of humanity. LOL).

[Cptkurke]

RELAX filipinos! nothing will happen in the philippines...we'll still be able to read online

[p0815554]

Just think about it, if they ban online online manga, than more than 95% of the world won't be able to read it. Much less find it and te scanlation group do a better job than those legit tranlator with faster releases. Online reading also provide as to adventises the name of the title worldwide. Without websites like onemanga, it will be with every 100 new titles, onli 20+ will make it outside of japan to be sold in store near u, wth am i saying it will be less than 10 titles. Overall will the closure of online manga reading, the manga world will suffer more than they would gain with less audience, slower releases and less title being shown to ppl outside of the origin country.Most ppl buy manga after they read online and decide to support the author anyway.

[tripad]

those guys want to earn money but even though many people benefited from the scanlations....
this means they're just getting greedy...
i wished they stop threatening those people... they really helped us alot... X.x

[kitymeow]

Just think about it, if they ban online online manga, than more than 95% of the world won't be able to read it. Much less find it and te scanlation group do a better job than those legit tranlator with faster releases. Online reading also provide as to adventises the name of the title worldwide. Without websites like onemanga, it will be with every 100 new titles, onli 20+ will make it outside of japan to be sold in store near u, wth am i saying it will be less than 10 titles. Overall will the closure of online manga reading, the manga world will suffer more than they would gain with less audience, slower releases and less title being shown to ppl outside of the origin country.Most ppl buy manga after they read online and decide to support the author anyway.

I agree.
It would seem companies are cutting off the nose to spite the face.

Online manga and anime sites are increasing fans but its not resulting into an increase in sales due to the lack of options available in home regions and pricing.

Others may say "buy online" but the fact is that leads to other problems. If I'm paying my hard earned money for manga then I want something tangiable in exchange, including the fact I have to wait for its arrival. Or if online manga sites go down, will I have to sign up for a membership like crunchyroll? How much will that cost me and how many manga titles will be available and when?

Fees count up and for some, it may not be worth keeping up to date with as many series as they would like.

Companies are losing money because their products lack accessibility, and affordability in the world market and until they fix that, any other measure is just a band-aid.

[ZenNaari]

!!!I Want To Punch Them!!!

Damn american government don't know the importance of anime and manga to one's life! I can't wait until our generation takes over the government!!!

American government are abusing their power!!! And Google is harrassing it's power!!!

Otaku is not a religion, it's a culture!!! And the three elements that support this culture are Anime, Manga and Games. If you take manga away, we will never be the same again! Mangakas will lose their sales! And anime companies shut down!

HELL! Even you're beloved Naruto English Dub Americanization on your Cartoon Network that boosted your sales will come to an end!!!

You American government have gone too far! You take away your own sales! All the anime that you dub with americanization will soon fire back at you for removing them! All the manga that was translated by the government will too!

Who cares if you can live without it! Manga is a part of our lives and our culture whether we read them or not! We are scattered everywhere and yet you do not see us! Look google, you group of nerds that turned into a large growing company! You will regret this! ONE DAY!

[ravensoulx28]

those guys want to earn money but even though many people benefited from the scanlations....
this means they're just getting greedy...
i wished they stop threatening those people... they really helped us alot... X.x

I believe the same as well. Without scantalations, I might not have been able to get hooked with manga. I might still be just an anime streamer and just get bored after watching all the latest episodes. I think rather than making this look bad, why not make it into a job opportunity for otakus and translators instead of making things official? It would give a sense of communication with the customers and will build a social bond between the customer and the company which is the basis of social media marketing. Why ban them? They get advertised BY READERS OF THEIR OWN PRODUCTS! What's more convincing to you, a TV commercial, a web ad, or a person giving you a suggestion with a special service of translating it for you to read and it good quality at that than the official translators? If other sites profit from them then its their innovation. The problem with old companies is when they see unfair competition, they tend to eliminate it. If they say that the manga and anime industry might die, I highly doubt it will. What keeps manga alive, is it the publishers? How about anime? Will traditional marketing alone surpass the ability of the scantalations to persuade people to read manga? I hope they think about that.

[koedt]

They have already been trying trying to do this for years . . .

[Max Magnus]

Compagnies that create entertainement media will always fall behind the streamers and online publishers, because they're still using an old buisness model which is becoming outdated.

As somebody said before, their products lack accessibility, it's like the music and movie industries, blaming pirating for "losing money" whereas still make record profits.

Mangas have very little exposure in NA outside the Internet, unless you go searching for it, you'll rarely find any manga at all here, and if you do, it's still costly for every edition, just like some anime DVDs are insanely costly IMO. (40$ for 4 episodes? That's 20$/hour, you're better off the movies/buying a game)

[LordNight]

justice huh...
i just can understand...
what are they thinking...~
-_-
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what keeps manga alive, is it the publishers? How about anime? Will traditional marketing alone surpass the ability of the scantalations to persuade people to read manga? I hope they think about that.

QFAT

[girts521]

I live in Latvia and only shop with anime,manga and that kind of stuff is in 300 km away from me. I have no TV programs with anime. I would buy anime and manga if I could do it in my town,but I cant. And if they make online manga illegal meany people like me will stop reading manga just becouse they cant buy it. Buying it online, I think that it will be a big problem to meany of us. Becouse delivery is about one week and you need to find translated manga, and it's not cheap.

[SH1Tmakasit]

What?...Are they serious about it?
I'm a person who abides through the law although this is too much.
Most anime fans would regret this. Although we should give respect to the writers they should give
us respect of reading theirs.
More people who don't know anime has a chance of being an Anime Maniac
Without free manga online I think that the population of anime lovers would decrease, etc...
besides its just money, do they care for the people who read it? NO.
and also... aren't they getting enough money already?

[sawanikuya]

NO! T.T Give us freedom!:noway::noway::noway:

[Juuri]

Houston...... We have a major problem.... o.o....:phew:

[kurai]

I think this is a great Idea, It is about time. I do not read manga Online because, I firmly believe in buying and collecting it. I also think that if they do abolish it, the manga might actually be cheaper to buy. In this situation, some companies raise prices in order to cope with lost sales. I am not saying that all the companies do, but it is a sales tactic.

With the situation in Japan, and America at the moment, I do not blame these people at all for doing this.

[BloodyAngel]

I think this is a great Idea, It is about time. I do not read manga Online because, I firmly believe in buying and collecting it. I also think that if they do abolish it, the manga might actually be cheaper to buy. In this situation, some companies raise prices in order to cope with lost sales. I am not saying that all the companies do, but it is a sales tactic.

With the situation in Japan, and America at the moment, I do not blame these people at all for doing this.

Im with you my Friend, Finally Someone that Agree's with me.. Your my Ally ;D
And notanotaku aswell.

[lovekills]

well the problem is not that scanlaters its those who keep the scans up even after it is licensed. If they only kept up non-licensed material then there wouldn't be any problem but with onemanga and other such sites keeping every chapter of any manga up at all times theres no reason to buy manga anymore ever. I have thought the same thing ever since onemange came out. If i can read online for free why should I ever buy manga?

Before onemanga I would just read currently on going manga on sites that put up unlicensed material and then buy manga that had already been licensed and released in stores when I could afford it. However I have not bought a single manga ever since I discovered onemanga.

So I would have to agree with the publishers in this case. If the scanlaters had been more responsible and avoided actions that would harm those who make manga then this problem would never have occured and we would be able to read newly releasing material for free and then having to pick and choose what we want to buy carefully.

well those are my thoughts on this anyway...

Greed leads to problems later on and by allowing us the consumers to indulge in more greed the scanlators will now pay the price.

..........

And to answer those who think they are just being greedy and saying "dont they have enough money already?"....I would have to say that is not the case. They dont make as much money as one would think. Disney by itself makes more money than every anime company combined if I remember correctly. Not to mention, a lot of the manga artists when they talk about their daily lives in side panels you may notice they are not exactly living a rich life. The only ones who make tons of money are the extremely widely popular titles like Naruto and Bleach. The rest dont make nearly as much and not only that but a lot of money goes into production and if they are losing their money because people are only getting the manga for free then they wont be able to fund the next projects as easily. As a result the behavior of the consumers will lend itself to stunting the growth(if not destroying) of the anime and manga industry.

[tanxcb]

I suppose I would say that I am unhappy with this... because of the fact that there is increasing dependence on the web for almost anything... that means, it's not really going to 'solve' the problem fully right? (look at the napster case, there's still enough places to get illegal music from the web (not that I do that))
Anyway, the rise of sites like onemanga and mangafox has in fact, spread the popularity and made available to millions worldwide what they would never usually get access. And the point is valid... anime streaming sites could be next.
Then, there's the concept of the google library, which aims to have free books here on the web... so what's wrong with manga? I actually read the manga's latest releases on the net, then buy it when it becomes available in retail stores (because it takes months for it to be released here, unless I import a copy (but then I still need translations!))
The companies however, do need to make money to stay alive, and so do our favorite authors. There might be a way to compromise such that both parties benefit...

[kurai]

Im with you my Friend, Finally Someone that Agree's with me.. Your my Ally ;D
And notanotaku aswell.

lol I believe in supporting the industry :D

[hallowedjade]

life is so unfair.... nooooooo! it cannot be....

they will ruin tons of life if they make manga scanlation illegal.... specially my life!! 0_o


one more thing, it's hard to find manga here in my place. and i don't have enough money to support my otaku habit...
i am reading lot of manga and if it became illegal what will happen.... just thinking about it makes me really sad... o_0

[jadeliciousdk]

There several problems about them going after scanlaters/translators! Without them half the manga would never be translated to English, futhermore the bit that do get translated will for the most part only be published in the US, meaning that everyone else will have to pay ridicules fees and wait approximately one week for every release.

Honestly its not even like the creators are loosing that much money without the internet and sites like MF and OM there would never have been such a boom in the popularity of manga and anime around the world.

[KlosterKatte]

Perhaps if they acctually distrubiuted the mangas i read here in sweden, most of them that are released here have been running for several years already, its the same way with TV-series.

[Kazeno Kazuha]

nooooo! I can't live w/out watching a single ecchi anime everyday!! /gg

[otakuq]

I hate to be the bad guy here, but im actually on their side for this one. the Manga Industry was dying, suffering a surprising 20% drop in sales, with scanlations to blame. I'd rather have the manga in-hand anyway, but even if that wasnt the case i'd rather buy them than cause the industry to die all together..

[BloodyAngel]

I hate to be the bad guy here, but im actually on their side for this one. the Manga Industry was dying, suffering a surprising 20% drop in sales, with scanlations to blame. I'd rather have the manga in-hand anyway, but even if that wasnt the case i'd rather buy them than cause the industry to die all together..

Yeah, Thats why Im Supporting this. I don't want the Manga or Anime Industry to Die... I'll do anything just to Support them and keep them alive.

[otakuq]

Yeah, Thats why Im Supporting this. I don't want the Manga or Anime Industry to Die... I'll do anything just to Support them and keep them alive.

as long as they dont touch the anime streaming we should do alright.. though i think this does bring about the cancellation of OS's upcoming manga section :/ Either way.. and worst case scenario, theres still anime downloading sites... till they crackdown on that.

[BloodyAngel]

as long as they dont touch the anime streaming we should do alright.. though i think this does bring about the cancellation of OS's upcoming manga section :/ Either way.. and worst case scenario, theres still anime downloading sites... till they crackdown on that.

They wont Touch the Anime Online Streaming and its a low chance that will happen.

[takasuryuuji]

I HATE THIS WORLD...
I need manga, anime... and all that is connected to it...
I don't want this to happen...

[hallowedjade]

They wont Touch the Anime Online Streaming and its a low chance that will happen.

is there an assurance that they will not touch anime streaming? how could you assure?

probably a year from now they will start making anime streaming illegal...

[BloodyAngel]

is there an assurance that they will not touch anime streaming? how could you assure?

probably a year from now they will start making anime streaming illegal...

Because the Sales of DVD/Blu-ray are increasing while the Manga's are going down.

[Canon]

So what, does this mean we can't have manga?

[BloodyAngel]

So what, does this mean we can't have manga?

Well you can have manga by Buying them rather Reading it for Free.

[Max Magnus]

Manga corporations, just like most media industries, need to adapt to the online-reality. If you charge ridiculous fees and don't offer good service all around the world, people will readily go for the cheaper and quicker option.

Look at iTunes, it helps the music industry by allowing people to get exactly what they want at a fair price. If the manga corporations themselves offered their manga as online content, I'm sure their sales would increase.

Then again, I'm not exactly highly informed about the subtleties of the manga market, but I find this phenomenon to be happening all around the media industry, instead of adapting, the corporations are simply whiplashing the online distributors hoping they'll SOMEDAY wipe them all out. =/

[ciaossu]

I really want to support the publishers, because I see that the industry is really dying. But isn't there another way to support the publishers other than buying mangas?? Because here in the Philippines mangas sell for P500, and that's equivalent to 2days of my allowance! So if they were to ban the online mangas, that means that I have to sacrifice at least 2weeks of my allowance to satisfy my passion for mangas/ animes (I read one piece, naruto, bleach, etc.)... If they would do this, I might have to go to rehab to totally move on. In other words, mangas are already part of the lives of many otakus...

[dsdark13]

well so much for our manga section *sigh*

[BloodyAngel]

Manga corporations, just like most media industries, need to adapt to the online-reality. If you charge ridiculous fees and don't offer good service all around the world, people will readily go for the cheaper and quicker option.

Look at iTunes, it helps the music industry by allowing people to get exactly what they want at a fair price. If the manga corporations themselves offered their manga as online content, I'm sure their sales would increase.

Then again, I'm not exactly highly informed about the subtleties of the manga market, but I find this phenomenon to be happening all around the media industry, instead of adapting, the corporations are simply whiplashing the online distributors hoping they'll SOMEDAY wipe them all out. =/

That is True, If those Manga Corporation do like what Itunes did I bet alot of people will buy their manga and the Online Distributors doesn't have any rights or licenses to distribute this manga's.

And if they want Rights and Licenses for it, the Online Distributors needs to pay the Manga Corporations to get the Rights.

[Askeladd]

This is undoubtedly a very serious problem.

[STATIS]

I wonder what would happen if the authors just paid for a translator and had their own sites with their manga? Then to access them you pay what the author/distributor/whatever desires (or a dollar or two less under the manga prices because they don't have to have publishing costs!). I can understand the legalities but since they noticed this huge (is it? idk) gap of money that could come from the internet... why not make it available there? Movies and games (itunes, netflix, gamefly, digitally download-able games) are making a very good fortune off the internet method... Why not anime and manga? I wouldn't go so far as to say Crunchyroll has the right idea.. because they don't as they have no variety of anime at all with their method (it's a step in the direction we [or just me? xD] want though). I think they should just make websites to stream their content but for much lower prices as we skip the publishing costs (seriously... tons of money is spent on this).

I'm only in support of this if there is a backup plan to compensate for the international/web audience... Otherwise I'm never going to buy a copy of DRRR that won't release for about 6 months later to the US and I'm not going to a bookstore with only 1/100th of the manga out there. You guys still won't have my money.

EDIT: totally on the same page as Max Magnus :D

[belderiver]

WTH! this cannot be! how cruel! they cannot banned online manga reading! how about those chapters im waiting? curse them! Its okay if they will ban online reading as long as there is good manga titles that are sold at the bookstores but there are none! the mangas are craps! I can't take this! noooo!

[Riou123]

Dont ban manga in the internet!! no!!
:omg: if they ban manga i have nothing to waste my time on
and i wont know the endings of the mangas i read T__T

[emer333]

i for once 75% agree with this... and 25% NOT, why not? it's because other manga's have no translation and that sucks. that's the only reason i read Illegal manga. :/

[Ephenyan]

AAAHHHH!!!!! < insert swear here >
NOOOOO!!!! NOT THE PRECIOUS MANGA!!! NOOOOOOO!!

/rant /rage /fury /vent

but then again... i am learning japanese and i am planning to go to japan
after i graduate college. by then i would shop to death for manga and otaku goods.
and support the series i am totally fangirling (it's a verb. do not question me. XD) on
by buying the manga and supporting the mangaka creating the fabulous series
and if i were a mangaka, i would really be upset for scanlating my series without my consent.

NOT. why the hell would I go all the way to japan just to buy some manga?
yes, i am a fan but i am not that die-hard. I support the mangakas and is willing to give them
motivation to continue the series that I love. but not through going cross-countries for it.
I say that they find a better way to host manga legally and conveniently to everyone.

won't be everyone be happy through this?

i am not all-out against it but i am pretty sad to wipe them all out.
I support the mangakas who made magic through their pencils, blood, sweat and tears.

[doom12358]

I think that its the right thing to do, but i sincerely think we should be able to read the new manga when they come out in jump because i dont wanna wait 2 years to see the end of naruto lol. Also im not poor, but my mom doesnt give me handouts and im only aloud to work for like 6 hours a week dued to pennsylvania flipping child labour laws for 15 year olds :P

[Keir06]

OMG.....are they serious!!!!!!!!!!
Oh well, if its illegal then I agree with it too.
I can live without the manga but PLEASE don't let streaming anime online be next............

NOOOOOOOOO~~ :noway:

[dsdark13]

Manga corporations, just like most media industries, need to adapt to the online-reality. If you charge ridiculous fees and don't offer good service all around the world, people will readily go for the cheaper and quicker option.

Look at iTunes, it helps the music industry by allowing people to get exactly what they want at a fair price. If the manga corporations themselves offered their manga as online content, I'm sure their sales would increase.

Then again, I'm not exactly highly informed about the subtleties of the manga market, but I find this phenomenon to be happening all around the media industry, instead of adapting, the corporations are simply whiplashing the online distributors hoping they'll SOMEDAY wipe them all out. =/

i think the online content reless would be the smartess thing to do, one they would save millions in haveing to make exces amounts of book copys, and there content would hit the market almost instantly, not to mention every one would know were it came from so makeing posting it on other sites a bit harder

[Mulan137]

I Feel Destroyed! T-T

[Pattehfilipino]

I'm all up for supporting the original work. In my opinion the original work is the best version, in most cases the manga is the original. Sometimes a light novel is what starts off a manga or an anime (looks at Haruhi and Toaru Majutsu no Index). Personally when I start on a series, I do some research on it and start on the original. So most of the time I start with the manga, if this does become true I'm fine with it.

I know that scanlations are huuuuge over in the english speaking countries, but how big is it in Japan?? I wonder how many people over there decide to read it online first. Will this negatively affect the popularity of new manga in the future? If it does that... won't that also change the chance of these new manga into turning into Anime?

It will be a sad day when a good manga dies because of this.

[lastshin]

it favors me in two ways...
but nevertheless this is really like "WTH is going in this world!"

[ranmachua]

There are some people out there trying to kill anime in the name of justice. Like they know what it means either.

[LeonCarreon]

If they target online Anime streaming next then we're screwed!
It's gonna be hell'a boring after that. T.T
But hopefully it won't happen. HOPEFULLY.

[Max Magnus]

If they target online Anime streaming next then we're screwed!
It's gonna be hell'a boring after that. T.T
But hopefully it won't happen. HOPEFULLY.

As Bloody has said in this thread, Blu-Ray sales keep going up, so the anime industry isn't suffering from online streaming, it fact, it raises up the sale numbers, whereas the manga industry is losing money. =/

[juriansama]

OMG.....are they serious!!!!!!!!!!
Oh well, if its illegal then I agree with it too.
I can live without the manga but PLEASE don't let streaming anime online be next............

i agree.. i need anime streaming online in my life :)

[Pascon]

I need read it online cause it so hard to get the latest manga at my place...
DAMN IT!!!!! :donwan:
HATE THIS LIFE!!!...:angry1:

[ShadowsLiyte]

No worries. For everything that exists, there is a torrent for it. I'm sure someone will be bored enough to translate/upload it >.>

[Bassist]

This will hurt me alot. Dun ban manga plz~~~~~~~~~~

[Syphor]

Umm, i would have to agree with them. Sales are going down <-- it's like...if you don't donate to OS, do you think it'll keep running?

Plus, manga artist draw to their heart contents but they're not getting paid much? Wth?!! They need to get paid as they deserve it. If we have to buy manga from now on, then so be it! Don't be a cheapskate!

I agree with you 100%!!! I kinda wish that OS would take down any manga in order to not draw any more attention in which they'd probably try to shut the site down. I don't read manga though. If I did I would buy it though.

[LordKaname]

WTF!! what is going on in this World I don`t want to live without manga ! why ! why is this happening?

[jeiru01]

If it is illegal, I agree with this thing. Well, they do have a point. But, if streaming online will be banned next, then I'm definitely going to be mad. *burning aura*

edit: I don't think OS'ers will upload mangas illegally though. e.O let's wish..

[kaifox]

wth do they think their doing?.. well how do we figure if its an illegal one?

[mlcdl]

This is insane. Mangafox and Onemanga to be ban. They have note that to buy the manga in their area if able and this is what happening. These folks seems not thinking the online readers of manga.

[sedaition]

While i do see why there doing this it probably wont have as much effect as everyone thinks. In this digital age theres only so much you can do through legal means. they'll prob bust up mangahut and one manga but all it takes is someone with large databases of scanlations opening a server or two in a country that doesnt really pay attention to international copyright laws (china, phillipines, most of middle east, most of south america, russia, etc.). all it will really do is make it harder to find the manga you want i.e. you'll have to join a non public dl site or do some peer2peer stuff. i appreciate why they want to get paid for their work, i would too, but the idea of controlling information on the internet is, well, kinda silly. just ask the record companies. i live in us but the local comic shops manga section is aweful to nonexistant. its an hour and half to nearest manga-centric shop. (which i love to go to when i got time). I think most sites will prob go to a sub system where you pay 5-15 a month for all the manga you want then that money is turned over to production companies, which will then give a small cut to the artist/manga house (which is kinda the whole problem with the system anyways).

[Rasen Oh]

Sweat! I don't read manga online anyways and maybe it will lower the prices of manga back to what they originally were or lower. It also might make publishers publish more manga, allowing me to read some of the manga that I want to read, but won't online. I see only one draw back if it works (which it probably won't) after manga is anime, that I would have problems with.

[ferone2ashy]

wait a second, that means that they've based it on the licensed ones that people have scanlated but doesn't that mean that if you take it off when it's licensed there shouldn't be a problem, after all if it aint licensed then people can do whatever to it...

[fleak2]

so are we still going to go on with adding manga?

[Sinclair]

Noooooooooooooooooooo!
This can't be happening!
well they have some points but I can't live with these issues!
I'm dead! x_x

[OVirus53]

I see a lot of people thinking very selfishly here. It bothers me deeply. I know it's very convenient to read your manga online for free, but really, because you are reading it for free, the authors are not making as much money off their work, effort, and time put into their manga. Their work that someone else scanned and put up for you to read for free without the author's consent.

This strikes close to home for me since I'm getting involved in a comic project as an artist (hopefully we will have something to present to a publisher by december), and I know for one that since I'm going into this project to earn money, I would be most displeased if someone scanned my work and distributed it online for people to read for free instead of going out and buying it.

Don't worry--it's not the end of the world. Manga is not dying out. You just have to find a place to buy it now. Pirating and stuff on the internet may seem cool to kids these days, but really, it harms the people who put their blood, sweat, and (trust me on this one) tears into their work in attempts to make a living off of it.

It may seem hypocritical to say that on an anime streaming site where I'm enjoying so many anime series for free, but it's kind of a horse of a different color. Anime are originally intended to be enjoyed for free anyways by being broadcast on TV, so I'm not sure exactly where that fits in. If it becomes a legal issue later on, I guess I'd have no choice but to support the authors, since it is their work. I won't enjoy it, but I'll support them. I'll worry about that if and when that happens. Hopefully never.

[kimzs]

ugh..... this is bad xD

[lemonsquare]

Wah! I'm torn... :((
I agree that's its not right that its published because its illegal...

but.. :( I'm not a rich kid who can afford mangas! and plus, in the net its easier to browse them and update the new volumes! :((

[SkyOrange]

W-T-F!
:noway::noway::noway::noway::noway:

[scarlet113]

id die if they did that!but at leats streaming anime is legal :D

[scarlet113]

id die if they did that:noway:!
but at least streaming anime is legal :D

[bwainz]

Honestly, the demand for manga is too high D: what will happen to us non-japanese fans?! T^T

[powerband]

WHAT!!!?? NO WAY!!! Well i can understand that it does not really help the authors with this illegal hosting but how else are we to get to be able to read, enjoy, and support the artist's work and share it with the rest of the world? Maybe buying the book would help but there are issues about availability of the series in most countries and also the great language barrier that stops our understanding of the story and plot the artist tries to present to the readers.

[0petz253]

O_o......this cant be happening ill get super bored if this happen without any manga to read.. T_T

[vanrald08]

this is really a problem... they gonna take 1/4 of my life T.T

[tambaylang2000]

What the hell is happening in this world...... Even I can afford mangas I can't read it..... My father never let me in any Japanese lesson T__T.....

[dab117]

the reason why we turn to scanlations in the first place because there are no LEGAL translations of some of the mangas THAT WE WANT TO READ!!! and if they target online streaming sites next....the world will lose around millions of anime viewers. And precisely the reason that our country (i.e. not Japan) does not put up enough anime titles into the local market (and most of them are either really bad, non-updated, bad quality subbings and typesettings) we watch online!! And learning a new language is not easy, even if we did master Japanese language, we'll have to outsource to attain the legal dvds from overseas.

What ever happened to the motive of entertainment? Is it now all about money, profits and revenue? Sure you'll need profits to keep the company running, but don't they take fansubbing/scanlations as a compliment for themselves? They've been running their company for a long time, and so has scanlations. If so, the anime market would have crashed long ago already.

....But did it?

[BloodyAngel]

the reason why we turn to scanlations in the first place because there are no LEGAL translations of some of the mangas THAT WE WANT TO READ!!! and if they target online streaming sites next....the world will lose around millions of anime viewers. And precisely the reason that our country (i.e. not Japan) does not put up enough anime titles into the local market (and most of them are either really bad, non-updated, bad quality subbings and typesettings) we watch online!! And learning a new language is not easy, even if we did master Japanese language, we'll have to outsource to attain the legal dvds from overseas.

What ever happened to the motive of entertainment? Is it now all about money, profits and revenue? Sure you'll need profits to keep the company running, but don't they take fansubbing/scanlations as a compliment for themselves? They've been running their company for a long time, and so has scanlations. If so, the anime market would have crashed long ago already.

....But did it?

Yes It DID happen Alot(not really Alot, I say a Few) of Anime Companies in Japan has to shut down in the past due to HIGH Debt or Low Cash to maintain the company, because their income started to go down and can't pay the debt... Here's an Example which just shut down last year, Gonzo Anime Studio shut down due to High Debt and can't afford to pay it.

Also I already told it in this thread that Online Anime Streaming wont go down that easily because DVD/Blu-ray Sales Are Keep Going Up while the Manga Sales Aren't.. it just keep dropping.

[p0815554]

Whose guys in the coalition are not thinking, most manga fan base are located online... online is the place where they first get to know the existence of manga and online has 99% more titles selection for readers out there. Try looking at a manga store near u, they will onli have tat remaining 1% title available. And scanlation exist to scan top hits title,average title and unknown titles which legit companies translator onli translate top hit titles like one piece,naruto,bleach. And there is the language barrier, i don read japanese i read english... Another point, fan base scanlation group does thing better, faster and more clearer than a legit 1, plus they don earn any shiet. And large hosting site like onemanga doesn take in or require donation to view its manga....its like a LARGE FREE HOSTING SITE FOR MANGA..its not like everytime we click on a manga page they earn money. They earn their keep becus we click on the ads beside the webpage for fun. The innocent ads are not related to manga, they nv were. The coalition r just looking for some1 to blame, so they turn their eyes on manga sites. Just think about it, if those site closes down, it will cause manga to be unavailable to the masses, the selection in stores will still onli be 1% of the total manga titles out there, and the store will still be hard to reach for many ppl, the release date for tranlated manga will be longer. With all these reasons, aren't the coalition the agressor and we the victim? YEs they r loseing profit but its it reli due to the fact tat online reading is the cause? or is it tat they don make its releases avabilable to the majority of reader and in faster time. And why can't they set thing aside and work with the online hosting site to solve this as the main stream of fanbase population is located online. Or is their real aim to restrict manga in japan and degrade it's growth while at the same time pissing off 95% of the fans which are located outside of japan.

If this reasons are not enough than here is another........save the trees.

[BloodyAngel]

Whose guys in the coalition are not thinking, most manga fan base are located online... online is the place where they first get to know the existence of manga and online has 99% more titles selection for readers out there. Try looking at a manga store near u, they will onli have tat remaining 1% title available. And scanlation exist to scan top hits title,average title and unknown titles which legit companies translator onli translate top hit titles like one piece,naruto,bleach. And there is the language barrier, i don read japanese i read english... Another point, fan base scanlation group does thing better, faster and more clearer than a legit 1, plus they don earn any shiet. And large hosting site like onemanga doesn take in or require donation to view its manga....its like a LARGE FREE HOSTING SITE FOR MANGA..its not like everytime we click on a manga page they earn money. They earn their keep becus we click on the ads beside the webpage for fun. The innocent ads are not related to manga, they nv were. The coalition r just looking for some1 to blame, so they turn their eyes on manga sites. Just think about it, if those site closes down, it will cause manga to be unavailable to the masses, the selection in stores will still onli be 1% of the total manga titles out there, and the store will still be hard to reach for many ppl, the release date for tranlated manga will be longer. With all these reasons, aren't the coalition the agressor and we the victim? YEs they r loseing profit but its it reli due to the fact tat online reading is the cause? or is it tat they don make its releases avabilable to the majority of reader and in faster time. And why can't they set thing aside and work with the online hosting site to solve this as the main stream of fanbase population is located online. Or is their real aim to restrict manga in japan and degrade it's growth while at the same time pissing off 95% of the fans which are located outside of japan.

If this reasons are not enough than here is another........save the trees.

This is my point that they are losing sales because PEOPLE ARE GETTING MANGA FOR FREE, MANGA's AREN'T FOR FREE.. People need to pay for it.. Thats why Author's are making manga to earn money and to have fun. And If the manga sales keep going up then there is a high chance that those manga will be out in English and in your country.. Because companies needs money to make them available World wide or in the US and UK. It also not easy to make a Contract between American Manga companies and Japanese Companies. If Onemanga or Mangafox become a License and Official Company then that might fix the problem in the losing profit, this means you have to pay to read a manga like a monthly thingy.

Also Saving the Tree's wont help this.. Lmfao

Anyway Im supporting the removal/ban of Online Manga.. Im sending emails to Japan and American Companies already.

[Max Magnus]

My question is, will OS continue in it's pursuit to add manga? That would seem a lot riskier now with this latest info, they could target this wonderful website =(

[jadeliciousdk]

It is all fine if they want to get rid of the illegal translations/scanlations.. but then they will have to provide us with a valid alternative. There is a reason as to why a lot of people isn't buying manga in paper form, it is bloody expensive and it is hard to come by in most parts of the world.

If the copyright owners started providing English translations online at an affordable cost (keep in mind that cost close to nothing putting something on the net as opposed to printing it) Then they could probably reduce the amount of people using the illegal scanlations quite a bit.
Right the price per manga volume in my country 15$ not including the mailing fees which can easily cause each volume to hit the 20$ mark. That can seriously hurt your pocket. So unless they bring forth an alternative way cheaper I'll gladly keep supporting illegal scanlations.

[CascadeHope]

I slightly agree with this banning, but with a catch to it.

I agree that manga should be banned from performing scanlations, but until the manga is either completed, or discontinued. That way, people will buy them and then it will be put up after their peek of sales has been reached.

[SH1Tmakasit]

Ughh...now that i look at it
If someone snatches a $20 bill from you wallet you would get mad right?
well the same applies here.
Although if you were the snatcher you'll be happy but if you get caught you'll be sent to jail(for a $20 bill XD)
If we were to put manga up here without copyright laws then this site would be banned.
If you ask for the $20 bill then (of course) there's no need to worry
Although if you have the copyright to put it up here then there's no worry about it
But it seems hard to borrow from a person whom you don't know
But it wont be easy getting the copyright of the manga
Although if you exchange the $20 bill for (umm...let me see)a bag of chips and a burger XD the it would be easier
Although If make a negotiation or pay for it then its ok...but who would be dumb enough to exchange a $20 bill for a bag of chips and a burger?
Well...this is just a thought though

[Bobtmonkey]

*sigh* Sure I'm okay with the banning of manga that is post from a book that has been translated by a company and sold in the U.S. But when the Japanese publisher has no plans to translate it, then why shouldn't fans be able to translate it and distribute it? I can't read Japanese, so I have no interest in buying a Japanese manga. And when the manga is published by an American company, I'm pretty sure that sites are good about stopping distribution. (I know OneManga is at least)

If they ban anime as well there's going to be a lot of uproar. It seems politcians and big companies are siding against the American Otaku in order to gain popularity and news coverage.

[Hiyoboy]

First of all id like to thank you BloodyAngel for bringing this news to our attention. This is not the first time the topic has been introduced but this is the first time the Jap Govt has actively addressed it. I can understand your view and standpoint however i would have to disagree.

Secondly, id like to point out that if OSers dont know who Tazmo is go to www.stoptazmo.com. Theres a thread there to read his full exploits but basically he runs multiple websites steals scanlator's works and hosts it on his site and charges membership fees to read it. also discrediting the original scanlator.

Thirdly, onemanga and mangafox are big but i dont believe they are bringing harm. I fully agree that people like Tazmo should be stopped. I really love manga and i started my hobby reading manga in a Barnes n Nobles eventually moving to Borders cuz it was closer to my house anywaiz i digress. And eventually i sought the plethora of manga in the internet becuz there was so many more that i never heard of. The amount of manga that make it to the NA(where i am) is minuscule compared to the amount in Japan.

i would buy Mx0 if it came to NA near me -_-. sadly it was discontinued and axed by Shonen Jump. becuz it wasnt popular enough in Japan. It was pretty popular in NA. I would buy all 8 Volumes of Samurai Usagi if i could find it. sadly the scanlators died due to lack of funds revived 8 months later and discontinued the project becuz the head didnt like it so much and rather focus on scanlating other projects. Problem is for a manga to be exported it has to be popular becuz theres a huge cost in exporting it and if it doesnt sell then theres huge deficits. Publishers only export manga they know will sell thus we only get the cream of the crop i guess however there is a multitude of underrated manga. People have different tastes i personally hate female main chars and i love a good plot. Not too much a fan of harem genres and fan service anime/manga but that's me and were all different. i want to read manga im interested in sadly most scanlators sites even manga mags dont offer everything i want. nor should they market specifically to me(I WISH HAHAH) There was debate on this topic b4 about scanlations being illegal and mainly the threads were started by trolls. but ive read a few before and only one argument was decent haha...online manga sites help distribute manga. that increases the popularity of many mangakas and i for one buy manga and manga related items i like ESP T SHIRTS. omg i went to jtown this past week i saw this Dgrayman backpack with an awesome pic of Allen and Timcampi and i wanted to buy it so bad but i have no use of a backpack ahah.

Anywaiz back on point. Does onemanga charge a membership fee? no. Source of revenue? Ads. Even some manga magazines have ads in there to boost revenue. There's this free newspaper right next to the San Francisco Chronicle which is in chinese.(cuz i am chinese) whose whole revenue and profit comes from ads.
The ban on online manga is presenting a problem without a solution. Even in San Francisco(like 30min from where i live but ull prolly wont know where i am) marijuana is legal why? its easier to regulate. I propose that the manga magazines put their manga with english translations on their own website for free. jam in a few ads. does google charge a fee for its service? they run off ads. if weekly magazines put their chps online for free people will come. i think they should only show the chp that week or that week and the past week. if u wanna reread the older past updates then buy the volume. Yes this ban will increase sales it forces poor needy otakus like me to buy manga more but at the cost of us only getting stream lined manga. I fully support the artists but this is not the move i the right direction it is taking one step forward and two steps back.

[xiety]

although i read mangas online
i still buy real manga with translations like Del Rey, Tokyo Pop etc...
the problem is the shipping took time to reach to the destination maybe 3 months after the lastest manga arrive then another 3months again

the advantage of online is all the mangas are there no need to search bookstores that sells manga

[spucy]

Dang! I guess I'm taking Japanese 1000 come fall.

[p0815554]

This is my point that they are losing sales because PEOPLE ARE GETTING MANGA FOR FREE, MANGA's AREN'T FOR FREE.. People need to pay for it.. Thats why Author's are making manga to earn money and to have fun. And If the manga sales keep going up then there is a high chance that those manga will be out in English and in your country.. Because companies needs money to make them available World wide or in the US and UK. It also not easy to make a Contract between American Manga companies and Japanese Companies. If Onemanga or Mangafox become a License and Official Company then that might fix the problem in the losing profit, this means you have to pay to read a manga like a monthly thingy.

Also Saving the Tree's wont help this.. Lmfao

Anyway Im supporting the removal/ban of Online Manga.. Im sending emails to Japan and American Companies already.

Well if the banning does get through tat will mean 90%+ of the ppl will be subjected to the unavailabiltes of manga, even whose who has money to buy manga woulden't be able to get them as they r like rare artifact in store in this present time we live in, plus the legit translator onli translate popular title as in out of every 100 new titles tat comes out in a year onli 3 to 5 of them will be tranlate into english by them where as the more unknown title will be deems as cult titles and will not have any english verison of it. Thus the world will be blackade by language barriers. So even to end this off, even those will money and can afford to buy manga will still be most likely unable to get their hands on 1 even after the mangasites closes down. And even by ordering online, u will still haf onli a small selection of manga titles to buy from. And u will also nid to face the long and harsh waiting period for 1 volume of the manga to come out, tat could mean a wait for 1~6mth for 1 volume. Where as u can get 10 times more titles being translated by fans scanlation weekly with the release date on the same week as the actual original release. The should work with the sites instead of going against them..

[dothacked]

although i read mangas online
i still buy real manga with translations like Del Rey, Tokyo Pop etc...
the problem is the shipping took time to reach to the destination maybe 3 months after the lastest manga arrive then another 3months again

the advantage of online is all the mangas are there no need to search bookstores that sells manga

Same here. I also buy translated mangas since that is my only way of supporting the authors but it really takes a long time before it actually gets here and there are mangas that I want to read but have no official translation yet so my only option is to read fan translation online. But if this fan scanlations were to be stopped then we have no choice but to accept it since it is illegal to begin with and rather than supporting the author it is like stealing his/her work.

[RenegadeXD]

damn soo much for my past time...sigh.....

[pointback05]

oh noooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pls. god dont let that happen..... hmp...

[mlcdl]

It is all fine if they want to get rid of the illegal translations/scanlations.. but then they will have to provide us with a valid alternative. There is a reason as to why a lot of people isn't buying manga in paper form, it is bloody expensive and it is hard to come by in most parts of the world.

If the copyright owners started providing English translations online at an affordable cost (keep in mind that cost close to nothing putting something on the net as opposed to printing it) Then they could probably reduce the amount of people using the illegal scanlations quite a bit.
Right the price per manga volume in my country 15$ not including the mailing fees which can easily cause each volume to hit the 20$ mark. That can seriously hurt your pocket. So unless they bring forth an alternative way cheaper I'll gladly keep supporting illegal scanlations.

Agree. When you guys think about it, one volume of the manga contains at least 10 chapter so it means that we gotta pay for that and what worst is those manga is not updated.So I think that banning online manga would be a very big problem.

[ravensoulx28]

Hmmm... If only the people involved in this incident see how we take this seriously....

Are the scantalators really the cause of all these downpour in sales? Oh sure, 20% is a big drop but there must be some other factors that made the sales drop that low like poor marketing strategies, availability and accessibility of their product. Since this is a major problem, I also would like to know the scope of this illegality. Does it cover ALL scantalations or there are certain limitations? Since there are some manga that are translated that are not even published by manga publishers like doujinshi.Also, there are independent mangaka publishing their own work. Will the scantalators translating those works be part of the scope or they can get away with it since, most of those works don't reach outside Japan?

[deadshitsuji]

uh oh. you've got to be kidding me. oh well better start downloading them before they disappear.

[tinajaque]

I agree but most of the manga I read are not available in my country. I hope they would come to some form of agreement that would still allow these scanlations on the internet. *prays*

[globeopinion]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa not manga! because I do read a lot of manga... I PROTEST!.... hahaha...peace!

[Grumpy]

It seems like you guys are missing a big stake of this action.

This action isn't to kill scanlations. If it was, they would try an approach more like what RIAA did. Sue every single scanlators. If that's too much work, at LEAST send a cease and decease letter. It's a lot easier job than what RIAA has since we pretty much got a name tagged beside each scanlators. Scanlators are the source of this distribution and their death is the death of scanlation. But look at the action being taken. It's going towards the big aggregate sites like OM and MF. They are not the source, shutting them down only removes the hub of scanlation. People can just as easily now just go the scanlators' websites to download/read them.

What does this mean? Even if all of these manga were supposedly translated to multi-language and distributed all over the world. It would not bring that big of a profit as lot of problems are posed as people are mentioning. There's popularity problem. Then there's actually selling problem - just like overestimation of piracy dollars made by entertainment industries. But there's a big bag of cash for them to grab. That's the cash already made. Big sites like OM and MF already made bundles of cash and they still got cash/assets. Now, if you take all of their money, it would be like as if you actually sold the manga in the first place without the actual work.

Everyone loves a quick buck, and that's exactly what they're doing right now.

Sites like MangaHelpers that hosted raws actually pose a different issue to the industry. The very fact that they serve raws means the actually potential buyers (ie Japanese) will no longer buy and just read the raws. That's a direct minus in their stash.

[missRobin7]

i dont know how to act and what to do if they'll include anime streaming...:noway:

[Canon]

Yay justice! :D

[letumio]

personally i think someone should make an anony poll to ask worldwide "scanlation fans" if they would actually buy this stuff if it was the only choice, i wouldnt. i watch it cause its free, if it werent free then i wouldnt watch it.

[sabrina]

question : does this mean you won't be uploading manga on the site anymore ? you said you had like 15 gb of manga ...
:( i live in italy but i hate the fact that all the movies on their tv are dubbed in italian. in my country (Romania) there are subs
when i was a kid i used to watch cartoon network and it was only in english so i got used to it and learned it .
i listen english music and i understand the lyrics . italians don't ! few are studying languages ( trust me i'm doing to university here )
many italians don't speak foreign languages because they are used to have all things in italian. ignorant ! many comedy films
lose their charm because the dub isn't as funny as the original voices . how about musicals ? the anime is also dubbed .
try watching one-piece in italian ! they even change names and locations to their will .... lame !
same thing with manga .... i prefer reading it in english but in this country i can only find the mangas that were translated in italian.
nothing else . and their prices ............. omg, could you spend more than 4-5 euros on ONE volume??? ....bleah !!
i was reeeeallllly looking forward to the introduction of manga on this site .

[sedaition]

i would like to ask about one thing. What about the bad liscensed scanlations? or even worse outright editing? Reason i ask i because i read high school of the dead, and have for a while. You cant even get legal copies of it on amazon yet. I was reading the other day and tokyo-pop subs has picked up the liscense to sub it. Many people are doubtful about whether they'll do anything with but when they do should i delete all my old scans and go and buy new ones. I actually wouldn't have a problem with this except that tokyo-pop's translations tend to vary from mediocre to downright horrible. Not to mention that in several series they've brought to the us they've actually edited them for content so that they can sell them to a wider audience. so my big issue is "am i supposed to pay for bad censored translations that take many extra months to be translated and to reach the bookshelves?" especially considering i can get the illegal scanlation two weeks after release in japan thats of a much higher quality and is uncensored. When it comes down to it, the real problem i think most people have is with the business model the manga publishing houses have stuck too. i dont understand why you cant get legal digital copies that are translated it not at the same time but soon after release. if they're was a good option i think alot of us would embrace it. some would still steal it of course , but i would personally give money to h.o.t.d's artist and writer if it meant they could spend more time on the series and turn out more work, which is in everyones interest.

[SushilovesNori]

Umm, i would have to agree with them. Sales are going down <-- it's like...if you don't donate to OS, do you think it'll keep running?

Plus, manga artist draw to their heart contents but they're not getting paid much? Wth?!! They need to get paid as they deserve it. If we have to buy manga from now on, then so be it! Don't be a cheapskate!

I have to agree with nato. I don't like the idea of free media being taken away, but here's the problem. Lately in our society, everyone uses the excuse of "I can get it online for free so I shouldn't have to buy it. I'm broke. I have no money, I have no job." and I'm sorry to put it this bluntly, but no, that is NOT the author or the publishers problem. They spend money to print and bind those mangas. They spend money on promotion, ink, time, etc. If they're spending, but not getting anything in return, how does this affect the productivity in the long run? The quality goes down in desperate attempts to maintain some sort of financial quota. When if each of us saved up a little bit of Christmas or Hanukkah money, or took up a tutoring or baby-sitting job of some sort for a while, we could save up to buy one entire series, in just a few weeks. That would increase revenue. Each and every one of us buying one set of manga, of 36 books or so, would help push forward the way for more manga.

And guess what. More buying manga = more mangas being made = happy authors/publishers = sometimes discounts because things are going so well = happy us = interested animators = MORE ANIME. Because a LOT of really great anime's are based on Manga.

Then consider the fact that anime lately... is getting really lackluster. Remember Nana? Remember Beck? Remember Noein? Remember Nodame Cantabile? The number of really wonderful anime's is slowing down because they don't have as many resources to pull ideas from and all they see is people buying the ecchi stuff. Why? Because who WOULDN'T want a half-naked figurine of a beloved anime character on their mantle? Most guys do, and even some girls. But I'm one of those girls who went and bought Nana gear. I have the necklace that Shinji wore, and the ring that Nana wore to most of her performances. Why? Because I loved the anime and the manga. And I think there are a lot of people like me out there wondering where the really good stuff that makes your insides hurt from so much awesome, has gone. If you're one of these people, purchase a manga or two. Times are hard, yeah, but you don't get to take the money with you when you die. When you spend $10 on a burger, it eventually ends up....well you know in the toilet. Literally. Save the $10, with 10 burger meals not eaten, you've saved $100. Spend it on manga. GOOD Manga.

and enough of my ranting. I'm gonna try to find a decent anime to watch now (I've run out :D )

[crowO7]

i love reading manga on the internet..i mean its what i do most of the time..read, read, read and finally read....>.< well i agree with the fact that we should buy the manga but here in the Philippines not all places have stores where you can buy the manga you want to read..also if there is a store here i bet it is not updated. unlike in japan, stores are common and they are most likely updated from time to time..i guess i need another hobby...<so sad>

Manga should be sold everywhere and i mean any place on earth where people like me who loves manga can access the stores when we want to...:(

[crowO7]

Manga should be sold everywhere and i mean any place on earth where people like me who loves manga can access the stores when we want to...:(


i want to delete this post..i'm sorry for my incompetence...i cant find the delete button..>.<

[sana07]

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp238/gilms1/Shock.jpg

Okay, First we got a Lolicon Ban and Now we getting this? Wtf... I bet the next one will be All Ecchi Genre Anime will be put down or Streaming Anime Online... >__>
What's wrong with this World!?!? But I kinda Agree with this tho. Why? Because this will help Increase the Sales of the Manga's All over the world. More Sales = More Manga ;D

The 36 publishers in Japan's Digital Comic Association and several American publishers are forming a coalition to combat the "rampant and growing problem" of scanlations, illicit digital copies of manga either translated by fans or scanned directly from legitimate English releases.

The coalition asserts that "scanlation aggregator" sites "now host thousands of pirated titles, earning ad revenue and/or membership dues at creators' expense while simultaneously undermining foreign licensing opportunities and unlawfully cannibalizing legitimate sales." Google lists one site on its list of the 1,000 most-visited sites on the web.

The spokesperson of the group said they will take injunctive measure if the scanlation sites stop their activities on their own. They have already been reporting scanlator's violations to US Justice Department and FBI. Publishers Weekly named MangaFox and OneManga as the major scanlation websites.

Kurt Hassler, the publishing director of Yen Press, pointed out the inverse correlation between the increase of the traffic of scanlation websites and the decrease of the manga sales in US. And that fan scanlators had withdrawn their translations when the manga was licensed but it's no longer the case with the current "business" scanlators. "We don?t want to have to do this but publishers are now focused on this problem."

According to a press release issued by Viz Media on Tuesday, the coalition's members include Square Enix, Viz Media, TOKYOPOP, Vertical, Inc., the Tuttle-Mori Agency, Yen Press, and the members of the Digital Comic Association: Akane Shinsha, Akita Shoten, ASCII Media Works, East Press, Ichijinsha, Enterbrain, Okura Shuppan, Ohzora Shuppan, Gakken, Kadokawa Shoten, Gentosha Comics, Kodansha, Jitsugyo No Nihonsha, Shueisha, Junet, Shogakukan, Shogakukan Shueisha Production, Shodensha, Shonen Gahosha, Shinshokan, Shinchosha, Take Shobo, Tatsumi Shuppan, Tokuma Shoten, Nihon Bungeisha, Hakusensha, Fujimi Shobo, Fusosha, Futabasha, France Shoin, Bunkasha, Houbunsha, Magazine House, Media Factory, Leed sha, and Libre Shuppan.

Source: PublisherWeekly (http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/digital/copyright/article/43437-japanese-u-s-manga-publishers-unite-to-fight-scanlations.html)


this is just so devastating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[harlotbug3]

This is the big one. This is the new generation's war.

The greedy, lazy kids who can't comprehend how you can't get quality entertainment unless you PAY SOMEONE FOR THE TIME IT TAKES TO MAKE IT
&
The greedy, lazy media-pimps who can't comprehend how to rake it in if they don't monopolize distribution

Is not one you have to pick the lesser of two evils on this. Support HULU. Support LEGIT distributors. You can't complain that you're under-represented if you're not in a place you can be LEGITIMATELY counted.

[Viletomb2010]

Its good for the manga industry to chase the scanlators but some people will disagree to these because some are rich and some are poor(it includes me). Im not a fan of manga but im reading some of it. I hope they will not stop next the streaming of anime online because many people will oppose them including me.

[Lelouch021]

NOOOO!!!!! geez manga artists these days.... TT^TT they must've done it legal

[Fubuki]

It happened some time ago but:

I almost died. T.T I'm poor child.... Not enough money to buy manga and no where to buy it, except the school book fair, but the manga they sell there is boring. T.T
At least I still have anime. Dream told me Tokyo tv took ownership of their anime, and now they don't want people streaming their anime without buying, is that true?