To Manga or not to Manga....

[Bindu1000]

http://imgur.com/Vh7AT.jpg
MANGA???!!!



Ok ... in light of all the current developments on the war on manga which got me all upset coz I had lost all my 'Yaoi' reading material, Jim was kind enough to offer to start adding manga onto our site. (He is such a sweetheart ...dont you think?)

Anyway there are many plus and minus points on adding manga to OS and since this is a huge step for us, we thought we would like to get our members opinions and ideas as well

Plus points
1) OS will be a 'one stop shop' for all Otakus
2) Since we are not dependent on advertising revenue, no one is going to be able to dictate to us what we can or cannot upload
3) This will probably end up being the 'only' advertisement free place to read manga online which would make our "awesome" meter go up considerably

Minus points
1) We still believe we need to maintain the PG-13 bar and therefore only a certain level of mature manga will be allowed.
2) To really make us a player in this field, we will need to add a massive load of manga in a very short period of time and for that we will need two forms of support from our members
- We will need upload volunteers and moderators (slave trade)
- We will need to increase our monthly goal to US $220 per month to support the additional servers we will need to bring on line

As some of you must be aware (yeah, yeah however hard we tried to keep it secret, some have let slip a few hints) we are looking at renovating OS and Jim has been working around the clock on a face lift for OS. So if we are to add Manga, this would be the perfect moment in time

That said - if we dont hit our goals financially and we need to sacrifice something, it will have to be the manga section as this will always be predominantly a streaming site. But this would be an exciting new feature we feel we are now ready to add

Just add your vote and let us know your thoughts.


~ALL HAIL OS~

[pikel]

I like the idea, but the majority of the manga I read other than stuff like Naruto and Skip Beat are NOT PG-13... just can't find too many PG-13 yuri manga out there, lol. So OS still won't become a 1-stop otaku spot for me :/

[KeiichiMamoru]

This is a great idea. As, you said K our "awesome" meter will go up plus it'll be more convenient for everybody (including me :D)saving them the trouble of going through different sites checking for updates, etc. and I think everyone will be willing to upload mangas here in OS.

@Pikel - Agreed, there's still Shoujo-Ai though. ^^

ALL HAIL OS!~

[SH1Tmakasit]

It would be good but the increase of rate would be risky or not... depending on the number of people who would donate and how much they would donate...
...my suggestion would be (if you would put manga up) to earn up some cash to make it more stable... plus we would need to keep the the manga up to date to be a REAL competition
Note: I can't donate because my father doesn't trust me in my own bank account...Darn

[tfioi]

It would be really cool if you added manga @ OS (ofc not sacrificing the streaming part)
And i don't see the big deal if you don't add any mature stuff, there are lots and lots of non provoking (PG-13) manga out there worthy of reading.

So if you can add it, do it....it will make OS much more popular even more then it is now =)

[Bindu1000]

I like the idea, but the majority of the manga I read other than stuff like Naruto and Skip Beat are NOT PG-13... just can't find too many PG-13 yuri manga out there, lol. So OS still won't become a 1-stop otaku spot for me :/


Actually we plan on uploading mature manga (otherwise where would I get my Yaoi fix?) but we draw the line at Doujinshies. We will also add a warning that the material may be offensive and we dont plan on opening it to search engines bots.

In other words, anyone searching for manga will not find OS but those who come to OS to watch anime will get a pleasant surprise.

[RenegadeXD]

Actually we plan on uploading mature manga (otherwise where would I get my Yaoi fix?) but we draw the line at Doujinshies. We will also add a warning that the material may be offensive and we dont plan on opening it to search engines bots.

In other words, anyone searching for manga will not find OS but those who come to OS to watch anime will get a pleasant surprise.


I concur but though i'm not a fan of yaoi manga OS will be at a boost to host both anime/manga....


But there must be a downside in doing so as stated on the pros and con.... But I believe that the OS community will pull through on this decision

[pikel]

Actually we plan on uploading mature manga (otherwise where would I get my Yaoi fix?) but we draw the line at Doujinshies. We will also add a warning that the material may be offensive and we dont plan on opening it to search engines bots.

In other words, anyone searching for manga will not find OS but those who come to OS to watch anime will get a pleasant surprise.

You have won me over, I'm now 100% for adding manga :D

Edit: I just had a small idea. What if we talked to some of the major translating groups and told them about us having the first ad-free manga site? We could see if we could get their support and they could upload directly to us as soon as they finish their translations? It shouldn't be too hard to get into contact with them.

[jhai0603]

Ah, manga.
I'm not very fond of reading 'em, but why not?
*no doujins though (well duh)... too bad*
I just might find myself reading some these days.

[ZenNaari]

I volunteer to help with the uploading of manga! I agree that it will be risky since the manga will slow down the anime requests so I gladly volunteer with the manga! I'll do my best! To Manga!

But yeah, how are we going to upload manga? do we have to send a .zip folder to mega-upload just like in anime?

[OVirus53]

Sounds like an interesting idea. I don't read much manga since I don't have the kinda money it takes to buy them (or the local book stores don't carry the ones I want), and I haven't really bothered looking up manga sites before, so who knows, maybe I'll get started on manga if this happens.

[SH1Tmakasit]

Reminder:
Although this is a great idea don't forget that there is a down side for this

One question though
What happens when google butts in?

[pikel]

Actually we plan on uploading mature manga (otherwise where would I get my Yaoi fix?) but we draw the line at Doujinshies. We will also add a warning that the material may be offensive and we dont plan on opening it to search engines bots.

In other words, anyone searching for manga will not find OS but those who come to OS to watch anime will get a pleasant surprise .

@SH1Tmakasit: Please read the red section.

[kady90]

im reading only yaoi.ecchi and so on :( i vote yes for manga but there wont be anything for me :x

[Keir06]

im reading only yaoi.ecchi and so on :( i vote yes for manga but there wont be anything for me :x

but anyway i think they're gonna add adult manga material too...
It's cool so that lots of people would join the OS community
And Maybe this would be a good place where I could read manga
because onemanga and mangafox.com are getting old...

but then it would be a good idea to update this about once a week and if even possible everyday like onemanga and mangafox do...

:emhh20:

[Omikaru]

It does anger me that I can't get my yaoi fix among other nosebleeding genres, but I can understand the reasons...

But.. if that was the case, does it kinda piss you off that they're focusing on that instead of actual porn and whatnot? Why target manga, it has nothing to do with it and it's purely fiction.

It's almost as if mature readings are the true enemy when other fetishes aren't.

[SH1Tmakasit]

mhm... but there are still negative signs to look upon
I look upon the negative sides before the positives
even minor negative things can be FATAL...
I learned that the hard way

well if this is not over-looked then I would agree

[Ephenyan]

great idea. but i certainly hope that updates are on time
(like when it's scanlated, it has to be uploaded fast)

i am friends with a few people who scanlate and they are pretty much
willing to share their work as long as the credit is all theirs

[takasuryuuji]

I want OS to have manga...but I can't be an uploader nor moderator, because Ill be busy this coming semester... I'll try to help OS...

If you want to achieve something you need to sacrifice something.
If this will make OS a better place to "live", so be it...

[Keir06]

YEAH! OS manga hope that works successfully for everyone of us Manga Fans!
anyway when is this possibly gonna happen? O.o

[kyoyahostluv]

Manga would be a great idea to add to the site but the negatives are kinda bad...

[SH1Tmakasit]

Manga would be a great idea to add to the site but the negatives are kinda bad...

thats what iv'e been emphasizing on...

[pikel]

If we don't link to other sites or allow other sites to link to us, the worst negative we face as a site is the extra money for a new server to house the new content. That shouldn't pose too much of a problem I'd assume though.

[solidoxygen]

To keep the server costs down, I think it would be wise to gather up the needed funds BEFORE launching another costly section or try and keep the selection relatively low. I don't think it's necessary to upload every many-year-old manga like what is being done with the anime right now.

Anyways, if it can be done, I'll support it.

[darkpoetry]

I don't think we should add manga. Unlike video stream, theres plenty of other manga sites and they themselves are having trouble with donations.

The only reason why I would be in favor of adding manga is if we only collect manga that we can't find anywhere else.

[Bindu1000]

Ok to answer everyone's questions and thoughts

1) Sites like mangafox started just 1-2 yrs ago and have become huge because they were able to upload all the obsure and unknown manga very, very fast which hopefully we can do too. Unfortunately since they have to rely on donations - they also took down almost 20% - 30% in a few seconds when challenged by google

2) Adding manga will need only 1/10th of the funds we need for vids. We have the money to start but we just want the members to know its going to need a little bit more help as we go along

3) We can block bots from sites such as google and yahoo from entering the manga section so anyone googling for manga will not find us. However in the event they do - no one can tell us what and what we can do simply because we dont depend on anyone for money - we have you ... our dear members *hand on heart and smiles sweetly*

4) We plan on making the adding of manga very user friendly - kinda like adding vids on CR used to be. Users can just upload without admins having to do it for them. Hopefully this will allow the manga section to grow fast.

5) We cant and will not link to other sites. This is what has kept OS so unique till now. The cost of the additional servers will be around $15 more a month and unlike vids this will last for a long time ... a full 400 chapter One pc takes the same space as 20 vids

we hear you guys who keep saying to look at the down side ... we have discussed this at length among us too. But we feel OS has kinda matured now and all we can do is keep adding more vids. Adding manga will be an exciting and new thing for all of us and lets keep our fingers crossed it will work out well.

Omkaru - Yes, it ticks me off there are millions of porn sites out there and only manga is being targetted. I feel like we are beginning to fall under "big brother syndrome" and the more that happens, the more I want to stand up and fight

As most of you will know - I am very very much up for laws against child abuse and pure loli material. I am a strong advocate against any harm that can fall to children and thats why we are very strict about the PG-13 rule in OS too. But this is absurd ...

[egreyes]

..... go with manga!!! .....

..... because i often go to other sites just for an update on my favorite manga!!!

..... "one stop shop " willl be the best idea.... OS will be better than ever......

[iDark3]

it's a good idea, but I'm not sure.. i like a little more than pg-13 o. o

[LordNight]

0h, adding manga is nice..
*since i have so many manga here in my pc m0re than anime's*
i will help on uploading...
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but, i dont quite understand the risk..please someone explain it to me..>.<

[hokeymon]

Mmm this kinda puts me in a dilemma. I don't really have any problems with ads cause i block them. :)

[lastshin]

that'll be great!

[HomieBwaha]

I vote no. Atleast not yet. If you guys are looking to kick the site up a notch, then do that first. Which will also give you the advantage of slowly gathering manga, and uploading it when you guys think is the right time.

[reneil26]

Ok to answer everyone's questions and thoughts

1) Sites like mangafox started just 1-2 yrs ago and have become huge because they were able to upload all the obsure and unknown manga very, very fast which hopefully we can do too. Unfortunately since they have to rely on donations - they also took down almost 20% - 30% in a few seconds when challenged by google

2) Adding manga will need only 1/10th of the funds we need for vids. We have the money to start but we just want the members to know its going to need a little bit more help as we go along

3) We can block bots from sites such as google and yahoo from entering the manga section so anyone googling for manga will not find us. However in the event they do - no one can tell us what and what we can do simply because we dont depend on anyone for money - we have you ... our dear members *hand on heart and smiles sweetly*

4) We plan on making the adding of manga very user friendly - kinda like adding vids on CR used to be. Users can just upload without admins having to do it for them. Hopefully this will allow the manga section to grow fast.

5) We cant and will not link to other sites. This is what has kept OS so unique till now. The cost of the additional servers will be around $15 more a month and unlike vids this will last for a long time ... a full 400 chapter One pc takes the same space as 20 vids

we hear you guys who keep saying to look at the down side ... we have discussed this at length among us too. But we feel OS has kinda matured now and all we can do is keep adding more vids. Adding manga will be an exciting and new thing for all of us and lets keep our fingers crossed it will work out well.

Omkaru - Yes, it ticks me off there are millions of porn sites out there and only manga is being targetted. I feel like we are beginning to fall under "big brother syndrome" and the more that happens, the more I want to stand up and fight

As most of you will know - I am very very much up for laws against child abuse and pure loli material. I am a strong advocate against any harm that can fall to children and thats why we are very strict about the PG-13 rule in OS too. But this is absurd ...

hmm...for me, letting the member to upload manga directly from the site will be great idea, but i see there is a problem here...
1. Duplicate
2. since they can upload directly to the site. we can't say that they will only upload manga that is pg-13.

suggestion.
let's add some staff (MANGA MODERATOR)that will probably check all the manga uploads if it's pg-13 or not...if it's over pg-13 he/she can delete the manga uploaded by a member and also delete duplicates...

[SH1Tmakasit]

Ok... since everything has been looked at and appointed for then theres no need for any precautions or warnings
Its a great idea to add manga to our site but keep an open mind on the site

suggestion.
let's add some staff (MANGA MODERATOR)that will probably check all the manga uploads if it's pg-13 or not...if it's over pg-13 he/she can delete the manga uploaded by a member and also delete duplicates...
I recommend this suggestion though

[gamer45798]

if we do get a manga section we shouldnt upload any old manga those arnt that popular same with the old anime not very popular

[globeopinion]

im against on adding manga.. for me because this is a streaming site at first... so people get the expression that this site is for streaming animes only... and this is a question, if there are too many readers and streamers are all watching and reading the anime and mangas at the same time would it be affecting the sites performance? thanks :D


http://otaku-streamers.com/os_signature.php?id=11927

[SH1Tmakasit]

im against on adding manga.. for me because this is a streaming site at first... so people get the expression that this site is for streaming animes only... and this is a question, if there are too many readers and streamers are all watching and reading the anime and mangas at the same time would it be affecting the sites performance? thanks :D


O yeah... the performance is also a vital part here
Onemanga once had a performance problem so what happens here?...
...I mean at Onemanga had a problem and it only included reading...
...what about here? reading and streaming at the same time?

[kaifox]

okay okay.. this is the right time i guess.. because its also summer.. students like me right now are totally free and have nothing to do.. this might be our chance to help..
Yay.. I will volunteer on everything i can do.. hehehe...

@Bindu can you somehow make a thread 'how to upload Manga'.. just totally the same with how to be an uploader.. hehe..

its a nice idea, especially now that google is banning some manga/s..
but dont count me in if it comes to donations.. im still a student and dont have any bank accounts.. sorry T_T..

but count me in if its moderating or uploading manga.. ^_^

[akiyamayuki]

i think that not bad idea......lol....is easy...for me to read while watch video......because....is hard to open 2 website.....at same time hahaha.....

[asaness01234]

although I'm not a manga fan, I vote on this manga section :smile:.

I mean I only read Naruto, Fairy Tail and One Piece.

anyway, this is another great option for OS (becoming a one stop shop for otaku's, wow)

i think the only downside is "If OS can keep up to the already known manga sites"

[kaifox]

@akiyamayuki your right.. if a manga section would be added on OS that would totally be cool..

[Ephenyan]

as long as the videos are still up running and being updated regularly,
i am in for the idea :D

well anyway, if there's going to be a mangauploader,
cross dengeki daisy in yer list because i'll upload it first
(pardon this kurosaki fan.. T^T)

[Hunter242x]

hm...... my mind is kind of confuse, I want OS to hav manga but.... I feel kind of sad for the moderators and up loaders since I cant even support..... Wish that I could help... but if you guys are willing to, Im fine with yes

[kaifox]

well there are many members here in OS so i guess there would be no problem for the uploaders.. haha

[tanxcb]

Interesting. Otaku indeed. Anime, now manga too? OS just gets better and better. :)

[sedaition]

I dont read many manga (there's just to much anime to watch :=) but i'd prob read more if it was on this site.

[jadeliciousdk]

*Gyabo* had written this insanely long argument of why it would be wrong to only upload PG-13 manga... before I saw Bindu's second post *Sigh* now I'm left with conflicted feelings :( I got it the way I wanted, but I just wasted the better part of a hour written that post...

Allowing mature manga also means allowing seinen manga right? (naturally with the appropriate warnings etc.)

Anyway love the whole idea of OS being the the only site who has it all and at the same time is the only add-free place. Just goes to show OS superiority in the awesome-meter.

I would definitely find a way to support this, well once my exams are over with. After all these days I spend my majority of free time reading manga.

A few ideas as of how to make OS manga section the absolute best
- A crucial thing is that it doesn't take to long to open the next page when reading manga. Perhaps it could be possible to make a system where the next couple of pages will start loading while you are reading the first page, so once you click next it instantly changes page.
- making it possible to change page by the use of arrow-keys!
- having double-pages uploaded in full size so you can read the text boxes.
- add-free
- customized backgrounds, some people prefer reading on a white background, others blacks, some pink :O?

[bloodyrein]

I agree with I also remember thinking about this idea and I was going to suggest it some time last week but the idea flew out of my mind until which kinda made me remember

[rakusa]

i really like the idea.,even before, i wished a manga section here on os!!!

im excited!!!!

>.<

[qwertyuiop10]

good idea i will read manga in here...

even i dont usually read manga...

whaaaaaaaaa...

slow uploads....too bad..

[juanpeng]

i guess ill like a manga section ... hmm i dont think it will be that successful though

[Keir06]

It Would be Successful if we had time and lots of OS members would cooperate...

But really thumbs Up for the manga idea so that more people would join OS to make it a One stop anime Site from Anime Streaming - Manga :))

I say GO~!

[n3m0s]

Well if you create a manga section on OS i dont think i will ever leave the site...so if there is something i can do to help i will(i cant donate though beacuse i dont have a bank account)

[adiktdtololi]

Personally i would support it...

But with the PG-13 bar. that OS follows.... it would really be hard 2 find materials for the OS manga chapter...

but if this thus happen... i will support it 100%... add me 2 the uploader's xD

[Sinclair]

The idea is really great really really great!

but to pursue the ideal dream we need a lot of effort we need....

and if we succeed it will be Great! really really really great!!

[riodaeka]

yep its a good feature so i can stream and read manga here...but as expected it's a financially problem to make this possible right?

although im not kind reading on manga but it's a good feature for us otakus


good luck OS TEAM!!!

[powerband]

Great idea! GO Go ~OS~

[Omikaru]

This is almost like the thread about the +/- of video games, one in particular I have brought up. That being that even though the label identified the game as MATURE, people in particular, don't really bother with the rating. Yet they get mad if their kid or god have you, does something wrong that they feel that had something to do with the game.

In this case, it's about the same with manga. The scanulators, uploaders and the like, I'm sure would slap the warning label if the manga is indeed mature or not for the young in age. Would some heed to it? I think not. Why? That's simple. They don't think it's going to bother them or may not be that bad. In some cases, yes, that's quite true.

However, what some don't want to face is the fact they made that choice to make that decision. The way I see it, and it's quite logical, that if you know what the stuff they do is bad or not a good thing at all, do one of two things:

1. Stop reading.
2. Make a choice to not let what they do apply to you or 'follow' along. (Such as Brothers, where incest was applied, don't even think about doing any of that. It's wrong and you know it.)

[MioAkiyama]

I like the idea, but the majority of the manga I read other than stuff like Naruto and Skip Beat are NOT PG-13... just can't find too many PG-13 yuri manga out there, lol. So OS still won't become a 1-stop otaku spot for me :/


i have yuri mangas here >_> want me to upload if this site will have the manga section
and will there be a manga uploader status ? :D


Actually we plan on uploading mature manga (otherwise where would I get my Yaoi fix?) but we draw the line at Doujinshies. We will also add a warning that the material may be offensive and we dont plan on opening it to search engines bots.

In other words, anyone searching for manga will not find OS but those who come to OS to watch anime will get a pleasant surprise.

yuri? :3



-readies all mangas- :O

[adZel]

its a big step for OS but it is a great new feature... i say yes but we should really be careful with the ratings.. we have young people in OS that shouldnt read mature materials... and additional moderators and fund is necessary... i think moderators are not a problem.. and there are many generous people here in OS right? =D

[Pascon]

hell yes!!!!!
this is totally awesome idea! anime and manga in one place..! ahh, my dream come true?

[jeiru01]

I agree with adding manga here..

It's a great idea.. (even though I watch animes more than reading mangas .-.) But probably because of having manga here, in the future, It'll make me read more of it..

[deadshitsuji]

I'm okay with it. Great idea!

[kaifox]

so when will it be release.. hehe.. im experiencing some lag today.. because as you have said jim is doing something so i guess jim is working for the manga section.. yapay.. BANZAI..

i cant really wait for it.. i hope it will be done before May ends.. because i hope i can help in the uploading thingy..

[Bindu1000]

*Gyabo* had written this insanely long argument of why it would be wrong to only upload PG-13 manga... before I saw Bindu's second post *Sigh* now I'm left with conflicted feelings :( I got it the way I wanted, but I just wasted the better part of a hour written that post...

Allowing mature manga also means allowing seinen manga right? (naturally with the appropriate warnings etc.)

Anyway love the whole idea of OS being the the only site who has it all and at the same time is the only add-free place. Just goes to show OS superiority in the awesome-meter.

I would definitely find a way to support this, well once my exams are over with. After all these days I spend my majority of free time reading manga.

A few ideas as of how to make OS manga section the absolute best
- A crucial thing is that it doesn't take to long to open the next page when reading manga. Perhaps it could be possible to make a system where the next couple of pages will start loading while you are reading the first page, so once you click next it instantly changes page.
- making it possible to change page by the use of arrow-keys!
- having double-pages uploaded in full size so you can read the text boxes.
- add-free
- customized backgrounds, some people prefer reading on a white background, others blacks, some pink :O?

Hahahah ... you always make me laugh!!! :18:

Since the bandwidth taken by manga is very small compared to vids and since we will definitely be ad free - the loading will be fast.

We will be able to use the arrow keys to change pages and the other suggestions will also be incorporated

For all other comments

1) All new ventures are somewhat of a gamble anyway. If you really think of it - this version of OS is actually the 4th try, the other 3 times we crashed within a month or so of being up and every time it did, we learned our lesson and built a better version (or at least Jim did and we all just annoyed him with our 2-cents worth comments)

2) There is never any guarantee that our whole manga attempt will be a success. As with OS - we do the best we can and cross our fingers and hope for the best.

3) Of course we are not going to be able to compete with Mangafox and Onemanga, etc at once. It took us 1 year to go over the 1000 titles bar on the vids and 16 months to get over the 500 online a day so its gonna take time and effort

4) As for upgrading OS - that has always been a on-going goal of Jim's. He works on upgrades everyday. Not all of them are noticeable but they are there and that wont stop. Once he sets up the manga bit, its upto us to maintain. He will keep on improving.

5) Finally - Jim has been working on a complete face lift for OS for sometime and this was just an additional point we added last week (prompted by my sulking over the removal of all my yaoi manga from mangafox) He has put this on priority but not sure it will be ready before the end of May as however brilliant our Jimmy is - he is also a perfectionist (as you can see from the 'coolness' of OS), so he will ensure its pretty much complete and perfect before its up and running.
For those of you who know programming - you will understand how hard it is to programme a brand new section into an already running website and making it compatible with all the functions already on board. (For someone who only knows to use her pc as an an expensive typewriter .. I live in awe of his talents)

[sho05]

Well to good to be true let's just w8 and see what happens next...

[SH1Tmakasit]

This site would be great if it had manga coz there's not many sites has manga and streaming anime in one... further more at the current popularity and the people who makes this site more popular are ever increasing...
I have one question though... how many titles are you gonna put here?

[Kamaitachi]

manga section mmm nice i was waiting for a manga section here for some time :D

[gamakichisama]

adding manga would be really great, but since OS is such a large community, it should receive a little bit more economic support...I know for somebody is impossible,still...just a little bit more...

~ALL HAIL OS!~

[kingofchimps]

I think uploading manga would be cool and all, but not very practical. It would add a hell of a lot of work for you admins, plus if its not going to be shown on search engines, we won't attract any new members because of it. Plus, OS only just started reaching the donation goal and I don't think us otakus make enough money for a goal boost. On the other hand, onemanga is checking all their stuff to make sure it's clean, so OS might take a good share of the market because of the slightly questionable manga.

[Maemichan]

I am diff. agree on doing manga in here!!!! I love reading manga, I am more of a manga reader than watching anime especially yaoi manga (just so addicted to it :-)) lol
I diff. do have a lot of download manga's in my laptop that i can share with you guys, (mostly yao, shonnen, shoujo and romance). just let me know. Also I am one of the english proofers ( and yes the group that i am in does scanlates yaoi manga )

[jadeliciousdk]

I think uploading manga would be cool and all, but not very practical. It would add a hell of a lot of work for you admins, plus if its not going to be shown on search engines, we won't attract any new members because of it. Plus, OS only just started reaching the donation goal and I don't think us otakus make enough money for a goal boost. On the other hand, onemanga is checking all their stuff to make sure it's clean, so OS might take a good share of the market because of the slightly questionable manga.

I agree complete, if OS gets a manga section the boards will be floaded with yaoi fanatics wanting to get their fix.
As someone cleverly pointer out (I'm too lazy to scroll back and find out who) it is very likely that the different scanlating groups will be willing to upload their stuff directly to OS simply because OS is addfree. They too are dadicated otakus.


So not only are you talking about implanting manga, you also going to give OS another overhaul.
Thanks - your hard work definitely makes a difference for a lot of us.
Sounds cheesy, but it is so true.

[razyr007]

manga? hmm I always want to star reading some because of the shows.... but I never leave OS to read them now I mite read some!! ^_-

[dthmadness]

maybe you could upload all manga, but only those above 18 can view the 'bad' stuff. like on the profiles of people they enter their b-day and you use that to determine it. but idk, might work, might not... just an idea xP

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[Syphor]

I accidently voted yes. lol I meant to vote no. =p

[dthmadness]

I accidently voted yes. lol I meant to vote no. =p

why no?? D:<

[mlcdl]

I like the idea and I agree to this since I am a freeloader here.

But I think that if OS going to add the fund they need, I may not agree to this idea as a freeloader as well.I didn't agree cause considering the donator,they will also affected to this idea and thinking about OM banning manga(which can be a great supply to manga upload) the manga can be upload will be totally limited.

But then to the vote,I will be glad that OS would have manga section.

[mikko0]

With all due respect here, this website hasn't been stable. By that I mean, it can't support itself sometimes. But don't get me wrong here, i understand the trouble and effort that's been put here. We need to consider the major factors that currently plays in this website right now.
Does any page receive reasonable demographic hits?
How often are some pages used?

We can get rid of pages that aren't used a lot often and use something else to fill it up. If not, remove it and pick a reasonable size for a website so the money would not drain as much.

If we add more things such as "manga", of course this website will suffer again from money. Please take into account that these factors play a vital role in keeping it stable.

Please note that, I'm just trying to help in terms of financial stability.. Do email me if there's something you want to discuss. My msn, not the email here. COOODOS!

[dothacked]

I'm yes to this idea :D

OS + mangas = Awesome!!

Though I kinda feel bad since I'm a freeloader here and adding a manga section means more funds is needed...

[fatcharley]

Sorry, I didn't have the time to read all the posts but would a manga like Kissxsis or Kanokon be allowed on this site?

[jhai0603]

Now that I think of it, yeah...
There are a lot of stuff to account for if OS wants to take on Manga's...
Still, with the vast amount of members we've got, why not give it a shot?
Cooperation is considerable, no?
Why not give it a trial or something?

[animerebel]

im all for this idea seeing as most of the mangas i read a are a bit mature and can no longer read on other sites

[kurai]

even though I don't read manga, at all, I think it would be a great addition to OS. I think OS's popularity will double because of the manga section.

I am also looking forward to what jim is going yo make the site look like :D

[arbel13]

For me its a yes. Who doesnt want a one stop site for otakus like us?

[AngelOfAnimes]

nice :D i like the idea too :D good luck jim! looking forward to the new look for OS (:

[p4pex33]

Well it's better to know the problems before rejoicing for the advantages


These are the problems i can see on adding manga

1. Funds (if funds were short i guess it's a one step backwards, nice attempt tough ) :)
2. Even tough there's a warning what if some kids ignore that warning and boom! echi pics in front of a child.
3. More network problems

[Seraph]

+1 to this :D NO BRA! NO BRA! NO BRA!

[kitymeow]

I am willing to donate more often if new releases will be uploaded at a competitive rate.

Currently, I use twitter so I know when a translation is instantly released so I think it would be a good idea to try that method as well for OS.

Although, the group I'm thinking of doesn't typically like its worked mirrored.

[ranmachua]

Not too sure myself since I don't read manga :p

[DeathMaster0]

I think manga would be a great idea plus if more people join for this that means that could also be more donations to keep up with the new costs

[emer333]

Adding manga would be a great idea.. but about the monthly donations..
it sucks that i don't have money on paypal and i don't have any bank acc. T.T

[Alexa]

Bindu,
You are awesome and I definitely support the addition of manga. I actually think the downside is not too bad and I believe most of us are mature enough to handle the new changes that OS is going to have.

GO ALL THE WAY!!! :)

Between,
while I respect and understand the concern that younger kids will be exposed to mature content, I am sure that they will not stop at visiting OS only. There's a million chance out there they will be exposed to such content, and shall I say, real porn since there's a lot of pop up ads featuring these. So to a certain extent, I think the concern is a bit unduly since it's way beyond our ability to stop kids from being exposed to this.

On a sidenote, do you think they won't be exposed to such knowledge from school and all? -_- Lol.

While the closest thing I have come across to Yaoi is Junjou Romantica, I think that if OS plans to have a new revamp and be an all rounded site, then nothing should be left out.

[lastshin]

hmm...for me, letting the member to upload manga directly from the site will be great idea, but i see there is a problem here...
1. Duplicate
2. since they can upload directly to the site. we can't say that they will only upload manga that is pg-13.

suggestion.
let's add some staff (MANGA MODERATOR)that will probably check all the manga uploads if it's pg-13 or not...if it's over pg-13 he/she can delete the manga uploaded by a member and also delete duplicates...

I agree to this suggestion..
because there is a high possibility for the 2...

[visualcandyk]

I think it's a good idea. It would set OS apart, instead of just being another anime streaming site. You'll get the best of both worlds. Although it wont benefit me too much considering most of the manga I read is really(really) gory. But I'm okay with that :3

[neojin]

Sounds great. Just hope it won't backfire with the mature content. I'm all for it though.

[looker]

manga is allways wellcome because there are people who can't find a large variety of series around like me and people who prefer reading manga rather than seeing anime

Cheers

[russj]

i voted NO..

we rely on donations.. increasing donation target doesnt directly translate on increase in donations. and since we wont be on the engine bot's radar, we wont really attract new people who's looking for manga and potential donators.

trust me, the whole mature content issue is the least of our worries(thats what we mods are for after all)

note: im not trolling. you have to admit, we're usually broke

[mica10]

i voted NO..

we rely on donations.. increasing donation target doesnt directly translate on increase in donations. and since we wont be on the engine bot's radar, we wont really attract new people who's looking for manga and potential donators.

trust me, the whole mature content issue is the least of our worries(thats what we mods are for after all)

note: im not trolling. you have to admit, we're usually broke

I have the same opinion

[p4pex33]

Yup, i think you are not 100% sure that you can gain the required donations in time, So i voted no to manga

[AJjudez]

Adding manga nice
ill agree yes

[scsa20]

First off, love the site, only site I'm able to stream anime from work ^_^

Anyways, onto the subject at hand, I'm going to vote no because of the needed bandwidth and resources to even get the plan started would be too much to handled and based from what russj said, I can't ignore that fact either. Sure, raising the goal for donations is fine and all but how often do you hit the goal? How often does reaching the goal actually pays for the server cost?

Don't get me wrong, I love the ideal of having manga on here as well to make it the 1 stop shop but I just think it's somewhat premature currently to start it up. If there's more revenue that comes in I say start it in a heartbeat but since it's souly ran by donations, I'd say hold off.

[jadeliciousdk]

Just a thought, It might be way off though since my knowledge when it comes to stuff like this is lacking.
In order to add manga to OS an additional server would be needed hence the extra monthly cost, putting a strain on the already tight budget OS runs.
But in theory since manga takes up way less bandwitch, than streaming anime, wouldn't it be possible for a manga section to practical balance neutral, because it could reduce the overall bandwitch usages?
For this puzzle to be solved it would require people to spend less time streaming and more time reading. Since a lot of people here dosn't actually read manga as of yet, it isn't totally unreasonble.

Let's make sure to leave no stone unturned. A manga section could be either a huge asset for OS or a liability.

[scsa20]

Beyond popular believes, putting up manga uses more resources then streaming and here's why.

Let's assume each page of a manga is 500KB (512,000 bytes) and each chapter is, say, 30 pages long. 500 x 30 = 15,000KB / 1024 = 14.65 MB (rounded up). So assuming that each chapter is 14.65 now we need to know how many chapters there is.

Now, lets say this manga has 70 chapters, so now we take 14.65 * 70 = 1025.5 MB / 1024 = a bit over 1GB. So for that whole manga series it's 1GB of bandwidth that was used.

But that's only assuming that each pages is only 500KB each and assuming each chapter is only 30 pages and each manage is 70 chapters.

Each pages has completely different sizes based off of how much details are on that page and if there's any colors and how big the page is. Each chapter can have any number of pages, and each manage has any number of chapters. I'll say you'll be looking at anywhere between 2GB to 5GB per manga maybe more depending on the series.

Now, you might say this isn't too bad, but you also have to include the standard site content to that as well which was not included into the calculations.

Now for streaming anime, lets assume each episode is 200 MB each and there's 13 episodes for this series.

200 * 13 = 2,600 / 1024 = 2.54GB

As you can see there's just way too much variables involved in calculating how much bandwidth would be used, sure, you can make an argument that streaming is, in fact, using more bandwidth but same hold true for putting up images (don't forgot to include the bandwidth for any special scripts for making the next page and previous page buttons).


Like I said before, it's a good ideal but right now the majority of the server resources, from what I can see, is going towards streaming with little room to spare to start the manga section (or the money for getting another server for such a thing). I'd say do it you believe if you have the server resources to start it but I don't want to see this site go under because there's no money coming in to pay the cost of the servers. :(

[mlcdl]

Can I revote.......

After reading Russj post, I think that it is better to make OS to stay as now and not to add the manga section......

And after seeing this post of ravensoulx28 in the manga talk

Hmmm.... It actually from this article that's why Google is pretty much like this lately. But seriously, they could just file a lawsuit against this guy because its libelous yet they chose the path that is so idiotic. Reading the forums of mangafox, I found a site that haven't removed their manga.

Here's the website with NO suspended Mature Manga. You just have to make sure you know the title since the layout is a bit off.
http://www.mangatoshokan.com/

Here's the source of my and other otaku's misery.
http://l7world.com/2010/04/google-sp...rnography.html


I thought that going to this site is also good idea than putting the manga section since it might close OS down due to lack of donations

[SH1Tmakasit]

Beyond popular believes, putting up manga uses more resources then streaming and here's why.

Let's assume each page of a manga is 500KB (512,000 bytes) and each chapter is, say, 30 pages long. 500 x 30 = 15,000KB / 1024 = 14.65 MB (rounded up). So assuming that each chapter is 14.65 now we need to know how many chapters there is.

Now, lets say this manga has 70 chapters, so now we take 14.65 * 70 = 1025.5 MB / 1024 = a bit over 1GB. So for that whole manga series it's 1GB of bandwidth that was used.

But that's only assuming that each pages is only 500KB each and assuming each chapter is only 30 pages and each manage is 70 chapters.

Each pages has completely different sizes based off of how much details are on that page and if there's any colors and how big the page is. Each chapter can have any number of pages, and each manage has any number of chapters. I'll say you'll be looking at anywhere between 2GB to 5GB per manga maybe more depending on the series.

Now, you might say this isn't too bad, but you also have to include the standard site content to that as well which was not included into the calculations.

Now for streaming anime, lets assume each episode is 200 MB each and there's 13 episodes for this series.

200 * 13 = 2,600 / 1024 = 2.54GB

As you can see there's just way too much variables involved in calculating how much bandwidth would be used, sure, you can make an argument that streaming is, in fact, using more bandwidth but same hold true for putting up images (don't forgot to include the bandwidth for any special scripts for making the next page and previous page buttons).


Like I said before, it's a good ideal but right now the majority of the server resources, from what I can see, is going towards streaming with little room to spare to start the manga section (or the money for getting another server for such a thing). I'd say do it you believe if you have the server resources to start it but I don't want to see this site go under because there's no money coming in to pay the cost of the servers. :(

You researched?...wow
Anyway I think that they wouldn't even think of posting this question without measuring the bandwidth and the size of the all over manga...
thus coming up with an additional amount of 20$ needed for income(or so i saw)
I think 20$ isn't going to be much to worry about since i saw the donation bar reach 275$(55$ more)... but i wonder if its gonna happen again
I got an idea!
How about we do a practice run(increasing 20$ in the donation bar) to see if it's OK
If it went full then no one would regret putting up manga(or at least i think they wouldn't)
If it doesn't then don"t put up manga anymore(No Duh!)

[scsa20]

You researched?...wow

More like common knowledge if you worked with sites and servers before tbh. The only thing I did was quickly seeing the average file size per page and double it to give me room for errors, in this case, the average page was about 200KB but putting down 500 gives me the room for errors for the other calculations.

Next thing I did was found the average number of pages and rounded up, in this case 30 pages sounded fair so I rolled with it.

Then I took the average length of a manga series, in this case, once again, 70 sounded fair. This way, with the file size being a set size of 500KB, it gives me plenty room for errors so it'll allow me to over calculate then under calculate. It's always better to over calculate for this kind of problems to see what kind of server resources you would need then under calculated because buying everything you need up front to last you for a few months now is a lot better then under calculating and having to pay more out of pocket in only a few days.

[ravensoulx28]

Hmmmm.... I guess its about time to add manga in our roster of services. I'm okay with it.

I would like to suggest that we provide manga downloads instead of the usual online page viewing.

My reason? Well... for me it would be faster to read a downloaded chapter than to view it on the web. IMO I'm not sure if my basis is correct or not but please correct me if I'm wrong. Would it cause a lot of server traffic to view a page of each website or is downloading better. I think it would be better to download since it provides more convenience since you can read the pages on your pc even if you get disconnected over the internet. and more over it saves bandwidth once downloaded. I don't know how other websites run their sites or why they chose to view the pages online so if this suggestion can't be possible I'm alright with that.

As for the PG-13 thing? Well I don't like the idea since I'm already way over 13 years of age but for consideration with the kids I guess I'll go with it.

[p4pex33]

well as long as the OS staff is 100% sure that they will attain the money they require to add manga monthly well that's no problem.

so that would be

$200 + $220 = $420

that's big money... if you convert that in Philippine peso it's more or less 20,000 pesos... so you need $14 (700 pesos) daily to support manga. well i guess money is a problem... hahaah

[mortacious]

I vote a strong no. I vote no for 3 reasons, civil liability, financial capital requirements, and human capital requirements.
Legally OS would be liable for civil damages due to copyright infringement. Those who know tort law will notice that since OS does not make a profit it would not normally be liable monetarily (which btw is the main issue). Unfortunately there is a provision in the law that instead of net revenue or direct monetary damage the owner of the infringed property can instead have the judge assign a monetary amount ($750 U.S. Dollar to $30,000 U.S. Dollar or up to $300,000 U.S. Dollar if the copyright law infringement was deemed to be done on purpose).
Side Note 1-Ok so that being said, the company would still have to sue OS in court or through arbitration. OS doesn’t really have all that much money so the likely hood of a lawsuit seems unlikely, but 1 it is still there and 2 the OS website is worth quite a bit of money. The monetary value of OS website could change the amount of damages the judge assigns and could make a company decide suing OS would be worthwhile.
Side Note 2-The above applies to both anime and manga so the addition of a manga would in theory be the same risk as adding a new anime. Further Note- There is a difference between aired anime and manga. When something is on public television (example anime show) it is completely legal to copy the said something. The use of the said something is extremely vague in terms of legal use and is of little risk so long as profit is not made. In other words if you obtain a copy of an anime from television you can pretty much use it however you want with impunity so long as you don’t make a profit. Manga on the other had does not work that was as its original is from a print source.
Side Note 3- Wikipedia has a good description of the internet copy right laws. You will actually have to go to study the normal copyright laws for remedies and damages to see the above mention amount of $750-$300,000.
The financial liability to start is significant. If I’m not mistaken it was approximately $300 U.S. Dollars for a year service agreement for a new server. That would come out to be the initial cost plus $25 U.S. Dollars per month for the one server. This all assumes it would be only one manga server. If OS want to stay up it should try to introduce as few “monetary shocks” as possible. The monetary shock and OS’s shaky financial situation make me think that adding a manga section would be a bad idea.
Side Note 4- It has been shown in studies that the more people there are the less likely an individual will help as such OS’s financial resources is extremely unknown and unpredictable.
The final reason, human capital, is my biggest concern; the above two can actually be managed and dealt with relative ease. It will take a lot of work for Jim to add the section, then it will take a lot more work to upload the manga, and even more work to moderate it. All of this is simply a matter of if the people working on this are willing to put in the work. The dangerous part is how much work in going to be continually needed, remember it is easy enough to start and finish a project within a relatively short time but things quickly become “not fun” when you have to do it over and over again for a long time. Certain members of OS are essential for OS to continue and I worry about them burning out.
To cap this all of, a manga section would have a very stiff competition from other websites such as manga fox and onemanga. I just don’t see the benefits outweighing the risks. Finally, in my honest opinion (imo ), if OS were to add a manga section it should be done slowly. Specifically I would suggest a manga section added but only 10% of the uploaded content by size would be manga or 1/9 of the anime added. This would keep costs and risks down, and would keep manga a nice addition over a new phase of OS.

[KipiChii]

well as long as the OS staff is 100% sure that they will attain the money they require to add manga monthly well that's no problem.

so that would be

$200 + $220 = $420

that's big money... if you convert that in Philippine peso it's more or less 20,000 pesos... so you need $14 (700 pesos) daily to support manga. well i guess money is a problem... hahaah


I'm pretty sure the (TOTAL) goal after the manga section is added would be $220, not $420, but your right, it's still a large sum of money per month...hopefully the ad's help cover some of them..

On another note, I'm really looking forward to the new manga section ^^ maybe I'll find something interesting again hehe~

[mlcdl]

I'm pretty sure the (TOTAL) goal after the manga section is added would be $220, not $420, but your right, it's still a large sum of money per month...hopefully the ad's help cover some of them..

On another note, I'm really looking forward to the new manga section ^^ maybe I'll find something interesting again hehe~


Well as long as you donators don't have any problem on donating then it is good but still I go for the no

[SH1Tmakasit]

most manga sites (or should I say all) are supported by ads right...
...but this site is supported by donations, it means that the site's existence is caused by the creator of the site plus donors so it should be only donors who should have the right to decide

[mlcdl]

most manga sites (or should I say all) are supported by ads right...
...but this site is supported by donations, it means that the site's existence is caused by the creator of the site plus donors so it should be only donors who should have the right to decide

Well I guess that it is better to side with this one.....it's up to all the donators vote

[atensox]

manga?!~
not bad I'll AGREE for this one

[kimzs]

hmmmmm manga?!

sure why not

[Kansandora]

that will be great....
through i am not so much of a fan of manga comparied to anime .... whatever it is i will support ^o^

[LordKaname]

well that`s a good idea I support it!

[Snoozy19]

Can't wait to read manga in this site.....XD

[Viletomb2010]

It can be one of my hobby(reading mangas). I am looking forward to it.

[freestyle99]

Am I dreaming? PInch me!