The Law Equivalent Exchange

[Bindu1000]

Hi - give me your thoughts on this one ... and if possible an experience
Personally I do believe that in order to obtain one thing, something else (or more) have to be sacrificed.
Example - if you want to be rich and successful, you will have to sacrifice on time with your family and friends (very basic example :1:).

[AngelShade]

I was always wondering what its happening when u kill urself what u have to give in exchange of that?

[SquishyNinja]

The greatest example of Equivalent Exchange: KARMA.

[nostalgia823]

lol this is like fullmetel alchemist... i guess nothing is free! lol

[holyzac]

I was always wondering what its happening when u kill urself what u have to give in exchange of that?

If you kill yourself, your family will suffer, your friends will suffer, and those who saw you killing yourself will be traumatized ^^

[Bindu1000]

If you kill yourself, your family will suffer, your friends will suffer, and those who saw you killing yourself will be traumatized ^^

Agree - plus very simply put, you give up your life and any possibility of future happiness

[Mangahero18]

True true...its the most basic principle of physics, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction....thats Equivalent Exchange in a Nutshell

[russj]

hmm i dont believe in karma..

its depends on someone's perspective..

if i suffer right now, i can call it a test from God, that someday He will bring me more blessings after this and my friends will see it that way too

but if you hate me you'll see it as negative karma and im being punished

if something good happens to you now, does it mean you'll suffer in the near or distant future?

i only believe the law when it comes to material things. cut a tree to make a chair. melt iron and carbon to make steel. thats how much equivalent life can get for me...

[Bindu1000]

hmm i dont believe in karma..

its depends on someone's perspective..

if i suffer right now, i can call it a test from God, that someday He will bring me more blessings after this and my friends will see it that way too

but if you hate me you'll see it as negative karma and im being punished

if something good happens to you now, does it mean you'll suffer in the near or distant future?

i only believe the law when it comes to material things. cut a tree to make a chair. melt iron and carbon to make steel. thats how much equivalent life can get for me...

I dont think the law of equivalent exchange has anything to do with karma - Karma is fate as well as the Buddhist teaching of cause and effect (correct me if I am wrong) and I also don't believe that.

I think this is more like you cant have your cake and eat it. If you want something in life - you have to give up something else in turn = for example you want to be in a relationship, then you have to give up some of your freedom, or you want to do well in your exams, you have to sacrifice fun time and sleep while your studying.

[little mouse]

Real life example = My best friend and boyfriend broke up. Then her ex and me fell in love. To be with him I had to loose my friend. I don't regret my choice but gee it sucks. I want my damn cake and eat it.

...I chose the guy btw

[Bindu1000]

Real life example = My best friend and boyfriend broke up. Then her ex and me fell in love. To be with him I had to loose my friend. I don't regret my choice but gee it sucks. I want my damn cake and eat it.

...I chose the guy btw

hahaha - Pure honesty there .... hmmm but I can see how that sucked

[russj]

I dont think the law of equivalent exchange has anything to do with karma - Karma is fate as well as the Buddhist teaching of cause and effect (correct me if I am wrong) and I also don't believe that.

I think this is more like you cant have your cake and eat it. If you want something in life - you have to give up something else in turn = for example you want to be in a relationship, then you have to give up some of your freedom, or you want to do well in your exams, you have to sacrifice fun time and sleep while your studying.

but isnt cause and effect the same thing with what you said.. give up something and get something in return..? which is mainly karma. study but dont get to play = sacrifice and get something good in return

i think this is more of a theory than a law.. not all things are applicable..
that is in my perspective

[Zeraph23]

but isnt cause and effect the same thing with what you said.. give up something and get something in return..? which is mainly karma. study but dont get to play = sacrifice and get something good in return

then why is there people who still play yet they still succeed???

[russj]

read the rest of my post zeraph.. thats why i think its a theory than a law..

again thats just me

[solidoxygen]

if you enjoy your work/job, you don't lose anything. right?

[avich]

I don't believe in Karma because suffering and pleasure is a matter of perspective. I don't think Life is written in some kind of code where if you attain a kind of requirement you will gain/lose something because of it.

I'm sure you guys know of people who've done a lot of wrong doings in their lifetime and still were able to live a successful happy life. Or people who lived through a lot of hardships in life and still lived it until they grew old.

A rich man who inherited a lot of wealth may find something in his non-grim life what he will consider a suffering. Hell, a lot of ridiculously rich people commit suicide. And another man with the same status will live happily throughout his life.

To me, how you feel on what you have right now is a matter on how you look in things in life. Our priorities and what matters to us is what shape us on who we are today. Its all a matter of perspective.

So don't expect to receive any kind of blessings in the near future if your suffering or sacrificed a lot now. What future we will have will always depend on the decision we make today.

That's how I see it.
*bows and goes back to work* Where was I...

[Bindu1000]

I don't believe in Karma because suffering and pleasure is a matter of perspective. I don't think Life is written in some kind of code where if you attain a kind of requirement you will gain/lose something because of it.

I'm sure you guys know of people who've done a lot of wrong doings in their lifetime and still were able to live a successful happy life. Or people who lived through a lot of hardships in life and still lived it until they grew old.

A rich man who inherited a lot of wealth may find something in his non-grim life what he will consider a suffering. Hell, a lot of ridiculously rich people commit suicide. And another man with the same status will live happily throughout his life.

To me, how you feel on what you have right now is a matter on how you look in things in life. Our priorities and what matters to us is what shape us on who we are today. Its all a matter of perspective.

So don't expect to receive any kind of blessings in the near future if your suffering or sacrificed a lot now. What future we will have will always depend on the decision we make today.

That's how I see it.
*bows and goes back to work* Where was I...

Wow!!! I was actually thinking on a more simpler line - nothing in life is free. Of course there is Bill Gates who was born rich, but for the average person, we gnerally cannot have our cake and eat it ...
That was like way too philosophical ...

[summit900]

Wow!!! I was actually thinking on a more simpler line - nothing in life is free. Of course there is Bill Gates who was born rich, but for the average person, we gnerally cannot have our cake and eat it ...
That was like way too philosophical ...


Actually bill gates was not born rich, he is a college drop out and he started out with some friends in the garage of his parents house, he worked his ass off to get where he is today, and thats is why he is my personal hero. He became the richest in the world from nothing. (second richest now)

[Bindu1000]

Actually bill gates was not born rich, he is a college drop out and he started out with some friends in the garage of his parents house, he worked his ass off to get where he is today, and thats is why he is my personal hero. He became the richest in the world from nothing. (second richest now)

Uhhh - sorry, I could be wrong, but I think you are talking about Michael Dell. Bill Gates was born rich, studied in Harvard and was financed by his parents to start Microsoft .

Michael Dell of Dell computers however,dropped out of college and put together his first computer in his garage.

[bootwhistle]

Interesting topic, I don't really believe that there is ever an 'equivalent' exchange, but for most things ... pretty much all things there are trade offs. I know some people tend to live by looking at 'cost vs benefit' thought that tends to make them a bit cold and self centred. You could also equate it to other analogies and theories like 'ripples in a pond' the 'butterfly effect' and of course Newtons 'every action as an equal and opposite reaction'... then again that would be a bit silly.
Though looking at the original exchange... isn't that just life? We take, we give and for certain it isn't always directly equivalent, though perhaps looking at everything (the unforeseen consequences) then maybe it does all balance out? Meh, who can say for sure.
Karma, is a bit different... it is more of a spiritual measure - the intent behind your actions than the actual results, a personal accounting - don't want to get into Buddhist philosophy so will leave it at that.

Anyway I feel that there is always an exchange or trade off to everything, for example risk and safety. I've moved to a completely new place with new experiences but had to leave a lot behind, that's always the case - however more important than looking for equality is trying to find opportunity or having a sense of adventure... or to put it in anime terms, act like the baka character rushing headlong into the unknown. Unfortunately haven't been able to do that often enough... but it makes life fun.

[Bindu1000]

Interesting topic, I don't really believe that there is ever an 'equivalent' exchange, but for most things ... pretty much all things there are trade offs. I know some people tend to live by looking at 'cost vs benefit' thought that tends to make them a bit cold and self centred. You could also equate it to other analogies and theories like 'ripples in a pond' the 'butterfly effect' and of course Newtons 'every action as an equal and opposite reaction'... then again that would be a bit silly.
Though looking at the original exchange... isn't that just life? We take, we give and for certain it isn't always directly equivalent, though perhaps looking at everything (the unforeseen consequences) then maybe it does all balance out? Meh, who can say for sure.
Karma, is a bit different... it is more of a spiritual measure - the intent behind your actions than the actual results, a personal accounting - don't want to get into Buddhist philosophy so will leave it at that.

Anyway I feel that there is always an exchange or trade off to everything, for example risk and safety. I've moved to a completely new place with new experiences but had to leave a lot behind, that's always the case - however more important than looking for equality is trying to find opportunity or having a sense of adventure... or to put it in anime terms, act like the baka character rushing headlong into the unknown. Unfortunately haven't been able to do that often enough... but it makes life fun.

THANK YOU!!!! Finally some got it and gave a very intelligent explanation of the difference between karma and this topic. I have no idea why Karma even came into the discussion!!!

I totally agree with you Bootwhistle and thank you for putting it so clearly :1:

[lankrie]

"hardship comes first, then followed by success"

is it include in the law?

[russj]

THANK YOU!!!! Finally some got it and gave a very intelligent explanation of the difference between karma and this topic. I have no idea why Karma even came into the discussion!!!

I totally agree with you Bootwhistle and thank you for putting it so clearly :1:

lol.. you only agree coz he said "its different.." but like what boot said, you can put it with other analogies and theories, karma is basically the same but mixed into religion.

you do something good, you get something good back. <- karma
work hard, get paid more <- your "law of equivalence"
its basically the same, cause and effect

doesnt really happen often

[Njaaks]

not the easiest topic.

I belive in somewhat karma but i dont think that life revlolves around it,

But about equaivalent exhange...hmmz
It exists. like said in previoust posts... simple pyshics

[Rylsouske]

Personally I dont believe in equivalent change. Here's on good example, your parents love you, they dont ask for anything in exchange, even if your hate or do something that is not good to them they'll still love you. Although exchanges happen, sometimes, it is not equal. Well, that's from my perspective.

[xiety]

^^ Law of Equivalence Exchange

we use it everyday like Buying things, you cant gain anything without paying; you gain something if you pay

well it works in Trading Industry

[notanotaku]

Real life example = My best friend and boyfriend broke up. Then her ex and me fell in love. To be with him I had to loose my friend. I don't regret my choice but gee it sucks. I want my damn cake and eat it.

...I chose the guy btw

I was in the same situation as you except the Law Equivalent Exchange didn't happen...i manage to get them to be friends :)

[lemonsquare]

Hmm. Law of Equivalent Exchange, hehehe. it's like in FMA. :)
also..
In law of Motion, "In every action, there's an opposite and equal reaction."

--There's one time, I'm addicted to anime and manga. My test results were low and duties to school.. To obtain a higher score and be responsible, i have to give up/lessen my time with anime and stuff. So sad but that's just they way it goes. :)

[B0b]

The problem with the idea of equivelant exchange is that every individual who thinks about it does so with their own ideas/beliefs. One person may think that a certain gain results in another certain loss, while another sees it the opposite way or even as a double gain or loss. When applying to the so-called "reality", this idea is solely based on an individuals perspective, ideals, and emotions. So the only way for equivalent exchange to exist in reality is if it applys to us not as an individual, but as a whole. In terms of all matter, equivalent exchange is a fact of life. This, however, does not apply to any single person, who only experiences a certain part of that whole. The reality is that this world we live in does not discriminate against individuals, but simply applies the natural effect due to the cause that is performed. Whether something bad happens to someone good, or something good happens to someone bad, is simply the result of that natural cause and effect cycle. Thats why, as far as we're concerned, equivalent exchange doesn't exist. Also, karma is a complete lie, simply something created by people who want to discourage others from doing bad things.

[Snoozy19]

When Dante from FMA talked about her opinion of Equivalent Exchange, her thoughts really made sense to me. Even Ed's dad thought the same thing.
It's like when i take a crap, am i giving or am i taking......Giving = crap to the world......Taking = crap out of my crack.....
I know I'll get lighter by doing so (gain) whats the price I had to pay for it???? My crap??

[xiety]

everything is balance

its like Yin & Yang, you cant remove Yin and vice versa

you cant always gain something, you need to give out something

even giving presents in exchange you give that favor back even its not a gift at least gave something

[Kobowo]

Yes there is always an exchange for everything even if it was mundane....but that doesnt mean all exchanges have one side having a negative effect...there are also times equivalent changes give happiness to both sides...simple example:

someone want a psp and he exchanges an iPod with someone who wants an iPod

[ZZZDaydream]

The Law Equivalent Exchange is an exaggeration in its self you have to sacrifice something grater due to the conservation of mass

[Graveflower]

Speaking from personal experience, no. I am inclined to say that such a law does not exist universally. Sure, there can be circumstances and coincidences that can be used as an example, though it is no law or rule. The world can be kind and it can be unkind. It is by no means fair.

[venabre]

I think it sort of works but not as law of EQUIVALENT exchange and more of law of exchange. You allways have to give or do something to recieve anything, but it isn't necesary equivalent, most of the time it'll be more or some times it'll be less what you have to give.
I however agree with it in the therms of alchemy like it's shown in the series, but in that case it is more like the law of conservation of mass, almost identical actually

[xiety]

Only we need to do is to create our own Philosopher's Stone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher's_stone) then we can break the Law

We always Gain something without sacrificing anything

[musikalles]

Absolutely- It's called 'cause and effect', 'input/output', 'you get what you give'...

[Viletomb2010]

I have a simple example. I am a 4th yr student and I am running for honors to become a honor student you need to study. You should sacrifice your time and other hobbies to advance study for the exams or quizzes.

[WhiteFlame]

Same as FMA:BROTHERHOOD....

or maybe KARMA

[vanrald08]

I think it sort of works but not as law of EQUIVALENT exchange and more of law of exchange. You allways have to give or do something to recieve anything, but it isn't necesary equivalent, most of the time it'll be more or some times it'll be less what you have to give.
I however agree with it in the therms of alchemy like it's shown in the series, but in that case it is more like the law of conservation of mass, almost identical actually

I agree with this, there was only a Law of Exchange that exist since ancient times...

And Avich is right, its all about human perspective.

What basis of exchange use depends on the person concern.

[lolkaitlin]

Hm. Yeah, I believe in it.

Things have to be sacrficed in order to be happy. There's no such thing as total happiness on Earth. According to Aristotle (I believe), Death is what makes us complete. Completeness = happiness. We all want to be complete. It's a natural human desire to want eternal happiness. As a Catholic, I was always taught that only God can give you true happiness. What is this? God is in heaven. Therefore, we can only be truly happy in death. That's just the philosopher part of me speaking but it's true in a sense. So in exchange for life (in most cases), happiness is fulfilled.

Other examples are like... if you want to get good marks in school, you're going to have to give up some of your hobbies unless you're the rare breed of people who can let things sink into the brain the second you're taught, bwahaha.

The perfect life consists of a happy marriage, a happy family, a successful career, wondeful friends, and a gigantic house with a fat cat and a bookshelf filled to the brim with great books. But, obviously, sacrifices had to be made in the past to get there. It's possible to have the 'perfect' life but things have to be sacrificed.

[Sora Kasugano]

If I really want to be rich that bad,

I would like to sacrifice Animes in trade with being rich. cause when I get rich. The I can always watch Animes whenever I want xD

[CythilVen]

In full metal alchemist theres a quote
( I know its the Law of motion )
( But I want it to be interesting XD )
"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"
It also means "For every action their is a Price and a Pleasure."

One example for this is :
When you eat lots of candy,
Theres the pleasure. Of course, you'll have a good time enjoying the sweets.

But the price is you'll have toothache.


Do you believe?
If yes, Explain
If no, Still explain XD

[KhenLee202]

yes! because it is stated by newton and ovcourse everything we do has an effect or a price
everything in the world is continuing to move with the earths rotation
nothing and no one remains constant
thats why an action done is being proceeded by another action in other words there is always a reaction

[knipyoko]

Of course. =_= You gain something from doing anything, but at the same time there's a loss. Like doing your homework, you finish it but you used your energy for it.

[Qualtz]

In full metal alchemist theres a quote
( I know its the Law of motion )
( But I want it to be interesting XD )
"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"
It also means "For every action their is a Price and a Pleasure."

One example for this is :
When you eat lots of candy,
Theres the pleasure. Of course, you'll have a good time enjoying the sweets.

But the price is you'll have toothache.


Do you believe?
If yes, Explain
If no, Still explain XD

I don't know if i'm reading it right but it looks to me that you wanted to put this law

"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"
into daily situations such as your example(If not, then nevermind)

If you think that law applies to our daily actions then I disagree.
For example, here's a situation.

[Action] "I walked and sat on a comfortable chair to read a short story because i'm waiting for someone to arrive."
[Effect/Reaction] "???"

[knipyoko]

[Action] "I walked and sat on a comfortable chair to read a short story because i'm waiting for someone to arrive."
[Effect/Reaction] "???"

You occupied the seat that your mother should have sat. And this is a negative effect XD

[Rumic]

I tend to agree on the principle.

If i watch h*ntai. The consequence of having to watched one is "going for the rod".

[Near319]

Equivalent exchange? Who are we to define something so subjective.

A simple way of looking at this is the art of barter exchange; if one person values a car as much as a bean, and the other values the bean as much as a car, then if they were to exchange the items it would be "equivalent exchange".

Going back to the example of trading success/money for time with family/friends, it is entirely subjective; if one values money more than time with family then to them, the time lost with their family is a small price to pay for his success. This, of course, works vice versa.

However, if we were to bog down to specific situations one could argue in terms of market price; of course a bean would be worth much less than a car in a normal market, but this is excluding many factors such the emotional attachment or moral value of that item.

So in conclusion, there is no such thing as the "law of equivalent exchange". Good examples of this are successful robberies of banks; what price do they pay if they don't get caught? Feeling guilty? I really don't think they are too concerned with that when they're swimming in money.

[rcizzle1]

Not sure if this applies to what you are looking for but equivalent exchange could best be represented by the word "Opportunity Cost". Opportunity cost is basically making split decisions. For example, JOE could go to the movies or stay at home. Joe chose to go to the movies. In order to go see the movie he had to miss out on staying at home.

It doesn't exactly fit for what you are looking for but it is fairly close.

[Shoutbux]

For me its real cause you need to give out love if you wanna gain someones love...

[evilwil]

Well its not really to be called an exchange but rather maybe not doing or having the other for doing other things!.....its like! you cant do 2 things at the same time! " I could say that its like in our business SUBJECT"---> its the opportunity cost!--> its giving up the other for some reason to gain the other!....------>thats what i think! ^_^

[byotch07]

Sure, it is a reasonable model for the way the world ought to work most of the time. But I wouldn't call it a law, and certainly not a very scientific law at that. There are way too many exceptions. Look at all the people whose lives are a constant struggle to survive in a world that is completely against them. And on the other hand there are people born into wealthy families who get a lot of opportunities others have to work much harder for.

[evilwil]

Sure, it is a reasonable model for the way the world ought to work most of the time. But I wouldn't call it a law, and certainly not a very scientific law at that. There are way too many exceptions. Look at all the people whose lives are a constant struggle to survive in a world that is completely against them. And on the other hand there are people born into wealthy families who get a lot of opportunities others have to work much harder for.

I agree with you!.... but to think that there are some opportunities that we could not have bec of the sacrifices!!!

[akatsuki]

equivalent exchange.... if you want to lose wieght or to be sexy you should have to be discipline.you should sacrifice eating your favorites foods and exercise a lot... hard work to achieve your goal!... ^_^

[holliellama]

I believe it's one of the most basic things to follow in life. A lot of the time to get what you want, you have to sacrifice something else no matter what it is.

[Arathius]

Everything has that principle to an extent. To get anything you have to give up some amount of money or time, no matter the situation. So id go as far to say that its a law of nature xD

[Bunislipper]

Hmm I've never thought about this but as loads of people say above it reminded me of FMA XD Ahh I love that Anime :D
Yeah sometimes Karma really sucks but there is always a price to be payed. Its like when people think they can escape from a crime or a doing that was wrong...it never ends well.

[alexso96]

i think its possible because sometimes we get something we really like in return we have to give something up that is either important to us or is very special

[Paperroses]

i believe that we've all been so selfish that nothing we can do can save us from ourselves, and that because of this, we die. but i dont believe that we're just here to live and die either. i believe that we're on a world without hope so that we're not distracted by trying to save ourselves. I believe that we're set up to fail and die, so that we realize that the only thing that really matters out here is how we love.
Haaaaa, yeah, that's what i think

[wanderernyth]

well in this kind of topic!
almost anything will be right!
cause it will depends upon the person's perspective!

"Homo mensura." by Socrates

[blazeitup52]

Law of equal exchange... shuffling letters

for example... mars = arms = rams
palms = lamps
coins = sonic
kami(paper) = kami(hair) = kami(god)

this is called black magic... (Kabala/Cabala = black)

I don't know how it works. I think somebody cheated when they made the world.

[mlcdl]

I do believe on it as well. This theory is already being explained on everyday life especially to us students who goes to net shop during there breaks at school. Let's put up a simple one.

You cant eat the food on a restaurant if you dont have enough money to pay for one food.

That situation already explain the theory itself and even works. You need pay for money just to eat. Simple as that.

Though not all the things can be applied to this so the theory itself cant be use at general idea but can be use at common.

What I mean is that do you need to sacrifice something just to obtain true freedom or true happiness? I say you dont need to sacrifice but to experience something. Those event in one's experiences cant be classified on this theory cause the theory of equivalent exchange usually or commonly use at physical matters.

[hambo]

if you enjoy your work/job, you don't lose anything. right?
You lose time and the energy you put into work

[error345]

In order for something to be gain something of equal value must be lost -FMA

This only applies if you work for something, just suffering won't get you anything.
Example: if you sacrifice hrs upon hrs of your life studying you will be a brilliant person. Yea some are born naturally rich or as a genius but if they want something else they need to work for it.. but then a rich person can just buy whatever, then this only works for certain things not all.

[benito18]

I agree with squishyninja it's none other than KARMA it's the biggest exchange in life if you do the bad things or if you disobey the will of GOD ^_^

[yurinino]

if you want to be stronger you have to feel the greatest pains ^^

[Yami Tenshi]

I do not believe in equivalent exchange. It happens pretty often that you lose something with nothing in return. And sometimes you get something without sacrificing anything.

When your loved one dies, what did you get from it?
When you have a pleasant dream, what did you give up for it?
When your love leaves you, what did you gain aside of sorrow ?

[iHoriz0n]

well, i think that perhaps equivalent exchange is like a basis of almost everything here, with this, it will lead to this, without that, that will not happened and such. But of course i believe all is one and one is all, whereby everything is a cycle, what comes around goes around...

[Revelix]

the Equivalent exchange works in alot of situations.
but there is even situations where the EE doesnt work.

one is even mentioned in the anime ^^

something similar:
If two persons who both want to make it into one academy when they can only take one.
they both get the same score on the test but the academys choice was only one of them.

that means that the other person who had worked exacly as the other person didnt get in even though they both the same score.
In which the EE is:
To get into the academy, you need to study this much.

Since he didnt pass, he didnt get anything from the studying (except a bit smarter i guess)
(Sorry for my bad type of explaining things)

1. Both want to get into academy
2. The academy can only take in one
3. they both work exact the same
4. they both get the same score (and if time)
5. Only one gets in the school

first person got in
second person didnt get it even though he had study as much as the first person.

I can't see the Equivalent Exchange in this.

[Shibbeh]

equivalence is in the eye of the beholder, one person may think that something is worth more than another, or they may believe that one thing is more than the world allows it to be which is what gives birth to the doubt of equivalence, however if you don't think 2 things are equivalent, then step back and look from another perspective, maybe they are not equivalent upfront, but through a deeper connection somehow, everything is equal, every force has an equal but opposite reaction, even if that reaction puts it in the same direction of the catalyst, it still equates to the same thing in the end basically.

an example is this- say you get punched in the face, you could throw a punch equally as hard back which could be considered equal in some respect, however you would also smile ans say lol that all you got and walk away, although the latter does not inflict the same pain, it is an equivalent exchange in another direction i.e walking from the fight. although both routes are different, in the end something happens that causes another thing to happen, just not as cut and dry.the dynamics to equivalence are what makes it so intriguing, as face value of an exchange is almost never seen as equivalent but always is. and even if this is not the case, one action and event may lead to another which evens out the previous event while maintaining equivalence in itself, i.e when you walk away laughing the guy chases you and gets layed out by an MMA fighter that happens to be your uncle :) the equivalence does not have to be on the spot, it could come 5 years later or 2 minutes prior, time is dynamic and fluid and as are the laws of physics, though solid they have many loopholes. equivalent exchange happens to be one of these laws imo lol

[Reizero]

I was always wondering what its happening when u kill urself what u have to give in exchange of that?
death... o.o

i do believe that to do or gain something, you have to exchange something in return. it's all about the balance. like day/night, good/evil, etc.

[amatsusah]

when you guys look at equivalence u guys might be looking at a rolling ball, you pushed the ball to make it roll, what you guys are thinking is that the ball should keep rolling for equivalent exchange to work but there are lots of things to consider such as air drag, friction, external forces, such as someone else touching the ball, but it will always be 100% equivalent although it doesnt seem that way, the law of EE works on Objects, but not on Subjects, its a little bit difficult to apply on humans

[Nurmi]

I think that you have to always give up something if you want/do something, it can be anything.
If you think later on, no matter what have you done its always something. Time, money, social life, anime? :D, games etc.

[resolve]

everything in this world requires a sacrifice.

nothing is free.


To get something, you pay

To be strong, you use time to work out

To live, you must die.

To protect, you first must fight.


everything.needs.something.

[azukare]

the best example is Jesus who died for us to save us from our sins hehehe

[Reizero]

FMA? Well, I believe in this, like if there is a sun, there must be a moon to make to balance. Even if it's subtle or inconspicuous, there is always something taken in order to gain something.

The biggest example: For there to be healthy people in the world, there must be sick and dying people as well.